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AcidWarp
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posted 06-07-2005 10:15 PM     Profile for AcidWarp   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I have to set up remote access to a file server (work, for a client). I'm trying to hash out the least painful way in order to do it. Not only for myself, but for the client. It has to be easy to use.

I was thinking of using a PPTP VPN (Routing and Remote Access Services built into Server 2003, which the client has). I'm not really looking forward to setting up a vpn though. Frankly, I'd rather hit myself in the nuts with a hammer.

All the client machines are going to have XP Pro on them (I suspect that at least one is going to have XP Home, but I'm not going to think about that).

Somebody tell me there is a much easier way, please.

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posted 06-07-2005 11:09 PM     Profile for Obsidian   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
What is the scope of the project? How sensitive is the data? How many users? Need info....why a vpn for a file server?

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posted 06-07-2005 11:50 PM     Profile for AcidWarp   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
vpn for fileserver, because that's what the client wants. At most, I'm looking at two user's logging in remotely. Basically they want to be able to do some work at home, but without having to download files before they leave, work on them, then upload back at work. Also, given the nature of the work, there is no way for the client to know what files they may or may not need.

I really can't say more than that.

The data is sensitive enough that I don't even want to open up ports at all. Although, I have already had to do that for Outlook Web Access for Exchange (thank god it's SSL capable). I don't know why I'm bitching, after setting up exchange, this should be a fucking snap.

Basically, I'm looking for an alternative, but I can't see my way clear.

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posted 06-08-2005 05:29 AM     Profile for Obsidian   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
heh...so you ever deal with using OPK for creating cfgsets that can be installed using a WinPE image via RIS? Now THAT is turning out to be a bitch. Make one change in the winbom.ini file and now it is broke

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posted 06-08-2005 07:00 AM     Profile for FS   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
SCP server for Windows? I bet Cygwin would support that. Easy as fuck, and no VPN required. The clients connect with FileZilla or whatever.

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posted 06-08-2005 10:34 AM     Profile for J0SH   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Why not use regular old remote desktop. I work on the office server from home all the time that way.

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posted 06-08-2005 11:25 AM     Profile for AcidWarp   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Josh, It won't work, believe me. I thought of that option. What ends up happenening is only one client actually can use remote desktop. The clients have dynamically assigned IP's at their houses. Theoretically it COULD work if they had static ips at their houses, I could workout the port forwards a little easier. Besides, I don't think it's a good idea to let people actually work from the server, even if it's over remote desktop.


I was toying with the idea of using webshares, but I don't know if I really want to do that for security reasons. It's bad enough that I have to have OWA setup.

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posted 06-08-2005 08:11 PM     Profile for J0SH   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Why would only one client be able to use it? Remote Desktop does not need Static IPs.

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posted 06-08-2005 11:59 PM     Profile for Obsidian   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
remote desktop is not limited that way if using terminal services on the server...and if you set up your accounts/group/domain policies right, there should not be much of an issue at all. I have worked in IT departments much larger than one is sure to find in Gibsons, BC
(or I assume they are cause you are) and we used remote desktop to reset hung Citrix sessions etc from the servers. If everything is configured RIGHT there is nothing wrong with remote desktop.

I don't know if that would fulfill your scope of a file server, but if it is just to work on files, I personally view working on a file through a terminal session more secure than letting someone download it to their home and working on it there...

If they are consulting YOU to do it, they obviously don't know themselves. Work with them to devise a solution. Advise them and listen to them. Hell, if they are using Exchange server they can't be THAT concerned about security

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posted 06-09-2005 01:14 AM     Profile for AcidWarp   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Heh, exchange isn't that bad. . . as long as you are smart about it

What I'm getting at is I am not letting the average user with in spitting distance of the server (virtual or otherwise). Part of the issue is that there are no applications on the server for them to run in a terminal session (at least, not a remote desktop type session). I suppose I could finagle a way to do it.

What's happened is that the scope changed, initially, this phase of the deployment was for remote email access. That's changed to now including remote data access as well. (don't even get me started on how they want to add cellphone enabled pocketPCs running WinXP Tablet to access the network. Thankfully, I don't think I'll be around for that, I'm quitting this summer so that I can go back to school in Sept).

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posted 06-09-2005 04:51 AM     Profile for Obsidian   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
they are so damn worried about security that they want a vpn to access a file server but then they are going to be sending out airwaves?

Are they confused?

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posted 06-09-2005 10:02 AM     Profile for J0SH   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
That sounds like and exciting project. I don't see why you'd want to avoid it...

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posted 06-09-2005 01:05 PM     Profile for Flux   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
This is why I don't want to be in IT. You get stupid clients that don't know what they want and they expect you to fill in the numerous blanks. Then when they realize they need something else, they make a request that changes the whole gameplan.

Good luck with school, AW.

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posted 06-09-2005 05:43 PM     Profile for AcidWarp   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Well, the firewall (not on the server, thank god) is locked down tight, save for OWA which uses admittedly port 80, or 443 depending on SSL or not. And that's as protected as I can make it, strong passwords, encrypted transmission etc. So no, they aren't really broadcasting.

Flux, I heartily agree with you, but you know what, I wouldn't have it any other way. It keeps things interesting, and it's always a new challenge, which keeps the gray matter active.

Thnx for the wishes too. I'll probably end up doing a psych degree, be a therapist exclusively for IT pros like me.

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posted 06-09-2005 06:45 PM     Profile for doublefresh   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I suggest MORE COWBELL !!! The solution to everything...
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posted 06-09-2005 07:32 PM     Profile for Obsidian   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Boys -- Boys, I put my pants on just like the rest of you - one leg at a time. Except, once my pants are on, I make gold records.

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posted 06-09-2005 09:44 PM     Profile for AcidWarp   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
More Cowbell. . . my god. . YOU'RE RIGHT!!!

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--Dr. Stephen Hawking.


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