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Mad Max
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posted 04-28-2005 11:49 AM     Profile for Mad Max   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I was thinking about a couple of things the other night and I know I am oversimplifying matters but I thought it was interesting anyway.

who is in control? You or your brain? I came to the conclusion that "me" the entity that has thoughts and whatnot is just along for the ride. Sure, I can wiggle a toe, jump over a fence, eat food...hell, I can even hold my breath for a while. Can I stop my heart though? Can I recall memories from long ago? I know some / all of them are there because certain actions trigger them. I understand that the issue of memory recall and search is different than, say, a full text catalog but my point is that the brain knows a lot of stuff that it doesn't tell us. There's a lot of "microcode" executed every day to keep our bodies running yet we don't even know what it is or how it all works. I know this is going to sound whacky but if our brain knows how everything in the body works, what it takes to keep things running, what measures to take when certain conditions are met, how come I don't know what they are? There are lots of examples I can think of, many dumb such as processing fat. People can take pills to stop fat being processes to help them lose weight. Wouldn't it be great if you could just manually control that process? People, such as me, who suffer from hay fever and have to take anti-histimines. Why do I need to do that? Should I, my brain, not be able to stop my body from producing histimine in the first place?!
I read in an article recently that said endorphins are 1000x more potent than morphine. Where are these endorphins stored and why can't I release them manually from time to time, just for kicks. I want to pee really bad and I'm literally 5mins from home, why can't I control the pain? I KNOW that I will be in a position to pee in 5mins but it's like my brain doesn't trust me and keeps processing the signals from my bladder which results in an unpleasant feeling. I know it's a safety measure and I don't expect your bladder to stop sending the message but it would be more pleasant the message could be dealt with differently.

Maybe the brain is a lot more automated than I think. If it is then it's quite unnerving to be sharing a body with this brain thing that is supposed to be me but without all the control.

No, I'm not on drugs.

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posted 04-28-2005 12:29 PM     Profile for Reality   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
One question: Did you or your brain cause you to post that? You know, if you were conscious(sp) of every little thing your limbic and reptilian brain did, you wouldn't have time to think about anything else like just where you were going to have lunch today or whether you were gonna roll tonight or break out the bong for a change. You know, the Important stuff.

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posted 04-28-2005 01:03 PM     Profile for Mad Max   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I didn't mean to suggest that it would be cool to be conscious of EVERYTHING that is going on all the time, just to have control over such things if desired. Think of when you are driving a car, you don't need to think of everything you are doing all at once but there are many things that you can affect if desired.

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posted 04-28-2005 03:54 PM     Profile for doublefresh   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
lately my brain has been in control. It does not let me sleep more than 4 hours a night. I have to keep a pad of paper and a pen next to the bed to write down ideas that come to me in the night.

Most of the ideas are pretty lame but my brain thinks it's important enough to wake me up for them :-(


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posted 04-28-2005 04:09 PM     Profile for FS   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
read some Culture novels by Iain M Banks

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Wow, I can't believe I'm agreeing with FS on this one

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posted 04-28-2005 07:00 PM     Profile for Mad Max   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I have an Ian Banks book upstairs. I bought in Scotland last year when visiting the family. Not read it yet though.

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posted 04-28-2005 09:01 PM     Profile for Reality   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
We probably have a lot more control over our bodies than most realize. If you are good at controlling your emotions, you'll be good at controlling certain aspects of your health. Those who let anger eat them up will experience physical problems as severe as cancer after a while. A good positive attitude can make all the difference on how you deal with the outside world and how you deal with the inner world. Mind over matter. More focused or powerful minds can excersize more control over their environment external and internal. Buddist monks can slow their heartbeat down. Through meditation, one can control brain waves, and attain states that make it easier to access even distant memories. I don't think there's much limit to what the human mind is capable of. If you want to do something like that, you can learn. The potential is there.

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posted 04-28-2005 09:14 PM     Profile for mynameisxanthan   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
You guys should really watch 'What the Bleep do We know'
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posted 04-28-2005 10:47 PM     Profile for Reality   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I just saw that movie. I liked the quantum physics stuff of course. It's neat to think that we never actually come in direct contact with any matter. It's actually the electromagnetic fields around atoms that repel eachother and give us the sense that things are solid even though they are like 99.9% empty space. Also, electrons don't really exists as particles until we interact/observe them, otherwise they exist in probability waves that seem to know when there is an observer. It makes me wonder if it would be possible to interact intelligently with matter in some way, and maybe walk through walls, or move stuff telekineticly even. It brings to mind the Hitchhikers Guide where Arthur can float/fly just by tripping on something and forgetting he's falling before he hits the ground. How far can mind over matter go is the question. Is it our mind individually or collectively on some level that shape our Reality?

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posted 04-29-2005 06:31 AM     Profile for FS   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
There's a difference between Iain M Banks and Iain Banks.

Sure, it's the same guy, but different genres. M is scifi, the rest is plain fiction.

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Wow, I can't believe I'm agreeing with FS on this one

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posted 04-29-2005 08:17 AM     Profile for Mad Max   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by FS:
There's a difference between Iain M Banks and Iain Banks.

Sure, it's the same guy, but different genres. M is scifi, the rest is plain fiction.


Thanks for the tip. Now that you mention it I recall hearing that many years ago (I worked with a guy who read his stuff).

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posted 04-29-2005 09:40 AM     Profile for J0SH   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Screw you, XNATHANX, what the bleep do YOU know?

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posted 04-29-2005 01:37 PM     Profile for mynameisxanthan   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by J0SH:
Screw you, XNATHANX, what the bleep do YOU know?

Im glad someone got the reference

Hi Josh!


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