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Cacophonous
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posted 03-10-2005 05:45 PM
We have this vendor apply paint in a powder form to some GM parts (tools) and then bake it hard in an oven. A very durable finish. It's called a Powder Coat or Cote finish. This expensive paint process is over-kill for this one family of tools we process for General Motors Worldwide, called Engine Lift Brackets, which are tools that GM uses to work-on, transport and install/remove engines with. We certify these 'recycled' tools each year by stripping the paint off and test for structural problems by a magnetic particle inspection (magna-flux) process, stamp the date and then re-coat them the next year's color which is a rotation of 6 colors. My idea which I presented to GM is to go with a dye instead of the expensive powder and we can lower our price by 30% to them while we save over 50% with the cheaper process. Also we will do the dying process in-house giving us more revenue and not PowderCote II the vendor. I am working with a GM Design Responsible Engineer (DRE) and a chief Supplier Quality Engineer (SQE) along with each Engine Plant's Supplier Quality Assurance (SQA) manager to get this seemingly minor change through their bureaucratic nightmare of a system. Boring shit eh? I may kill myself. -------------------- ...
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AcidWarp
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posted 03-12-2005 02:41 AM
One thing I would suggest is some kind of durability test for the dyed parts. If the powder coat lasts twice as long (for sake of argument) then the savings really isn't worth it.-------------------- “I have noticed even people who claim everything is predestined, and that we can do nothing to change it, look before they cross the road.” “Intelligence is the ability to adapt to change.” --Dr. Stephen Hawking.
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Cacophonous
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posted 03-12-2005 10:30 AM
AW - GM has already tested it for durability and it passed the salt spray and adhesion test. The coating only has to retain 25% coverage in a one year period since the only purpose of the color is to show that the part went through the annual MPI inspection process. The parts also get a date stamp but the color is something you can see at a glance instead of studying the part for the date. 2X - I don't know the pricing but someone in our accounting department has it. You can buy it in small 8 OZ cans because that is what we used for the sample parts. Josh - I'm not worried about the idea since it's just an application change and not that I developed the dye itself. Our corporation will get credit for it and internally I will. -------------------- ...
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AcidWarp
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posted 03-12-2005 04:35 PM
Ah, okay, I had assumed that the coating was to protect bare metal rather than just there to make an easy visual check.Hell, go with the dye. Then sabotage any in-office competition and take over the company. . . -------------------- “I have noticed even people who claim everything is predestined, and that we can do nothing to change it, look before they cross the road.” “Intelligence is the ability to adapt to change.” --Dr. Stephen Hawking.
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posted 03-12-2005 07:21 PM
Yeah the DRE that designed the very first 'Engine Lift Bracket' as they are known spec'd it out as if it were a steel exterior part of the chassis or powertrain.This is a tool used for the manufacturing of a GM ‘powertrain’. They use it to move the engine around the engine plants while building it. They are in pairs with a front and rear model for each engine. They stay on the engine while it is mated to the transmission. Finally when the assembly plant uses the lift brackets to move the engine/transmission (power train)) around the plant and install it into the vehicle. Finally they come off the engine and get returned back to us for a quick visual inspection looking for cracks, broken welds, deflection, elongated holes, etc. Sometimes a gauging process for bolt-hole true position verification and to make sure the tool is with it's maximum deflection specification. Then once per year the stripping, MPI and re-color. We handle 14 models of various shapes & configurations of hook and engine bolt-holes. -------------------- ...
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posted 03-12-2005 07:36 PM
Right now we pay the Powder Cote source almost 70 cents per part to process each year which is over 1 million parts. The new process will only cost us 20 cents (or less) per part. Of course we give GM their cut by lower our piece price for our annual process a bit. Either way our corporation will still make close to half a million in profit off this. Give or take a 100 grand or so. =) I heard from our sales-rep that GM Engineering is currently revising all 14 prints, which knowing them will take 30-60 days. Once my idea is approved we are going to do this inhouse and are proceeding as we speak by spending about $30,000.00 to purchase a machine that will wash-dry-dye-dry the parts fully automated. Only 20 grand because we have the wash-dry part but are adding the dye section with it's own dryer, etc. Plus some material handling conveyors, etc. One operator will load and off-load each part from a central location. -------------------- ...
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posted 03-12-2005 08:12 PM
Cool.That still doesn't outline your plan for taking over the company. -------------------- “I have noticed even people who claim everything is predestined, and that we can do nothing to change it, look before they cross the road.” “Intelligence is the ability to adapt to change.” --Dr. Stephen Hawking.
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