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Topic: Swastikas - Good Luck Charms
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FS
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posted 01-14-2005 03:40 AM
    
I so don't buy that 4L thing...where's Anuj when you need him? -------------------- quote:
Originally posted by FS:
Wow, I can't believe I'm agreeing with FS on this one
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Cacophonous
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posted 01-14-2005 09:52 AM
I've always liked the design of the swastika. I can't believe how people are reacting to Prince Harry. Big fucking deal. Get over it. People today are insane when it comes to this sort of thing. What the hell even football players getting punished/fined for 'simulating' mooning the crowd, etc… -------------------- ...
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Mad Max
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posted 01-14-2005 12:47 PM
I think he has paid for that privileged life with a complete lack of privacy
that's what I said.  However, I think his priviled life more than compensates him. He has opportunity and open doors that only a small fraction of the elite have.and the taking of his mothers life all for the sake of a photo-op!
I think she was killed myself but that's another story. He deserves a little slack in regards to "responsibility" with the bullshit he was born into...besides, he is 20!
I somewhat agree, he has some growing up to do and this is all just part of the process. It must be really difficult living in the media spotlight, I'm not doubting that, but the kid will never want for any material things. He will get the best of everything. When you have that much power and money, even if it's the family's, there are always places you can go to be yourself. Let the kid live a little and learn along the way.
I think this is all part of the learning process for him. He is not William...in fact, Harry is my favourite Royal. He reminds me of a real person...
I don't know enough about each of them as individuals to pick favourites but I think that both of those kids seem like the most "normal". There are few things that the stone throwers should remember:
1. he was wearing a costume based on the uniform worn by the German forces in North Africa. It wasn't an SS uniform.
2. The Germans are not the only people to commit attrocities but they are the most remembered. The Japanese had their fair share of brutality too. Would people be up in arms if he wore a Japanese soldier's uniform? Probably not because (i) they don't know what it looks like, (ii) they don't know half of what the Japenese did to the Chinese or British captives for that matter. It's not much more than a stupid, but costly, mistake. [ 01-14-2005: Message edited by: Mad Max ] -------------------- Miss you guys.
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Wintermute
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posted 01-14-2005 04:08 PM
Harry is well cultured and educated. He without a doubt knows better. He may be anti-semite, but I find it more likely that he is rebelling against his father and the queen knowing that they treated his late beloved mother like shit.He may even be among those who saw his mother's interview and believe the royal family capable of and likely involved in assassination. - If he does not suspect his mother was whacked, he at the very least knows his father did not love her, and that his father and grandmother both treated her horribly. That might be enough to make him want to hurt the royal family with stunts such as this. -------------------- Verdammt durch das Fleisch. Gerettet durch das Blut.
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Wintermute
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posted 01-14-2005 04:47 PM
A well educated royal family member wearing a swastika in a country where anti-semitism is more pronounced now than it was during WW2 is not mere indiscretion. He knew how it would be taken. He knew the consequences. It was a calaculated action. That's why I called it a stunt.[ 01-14-2005: Message edited by: Wintermute ] -------------------- Verdammt durch das Fleisch. Gerettet durch das Blut.
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Snag
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posted 01-14-2005 05:10 PM
prounouned....
pronounced or pronouned?
as for it being a stunt, why then would William not say anything since he was with him when he bought it? I cannot see the future King taking the heat for his baby brother on something like this... I did stupid shit when I was 20 You did stupid shit when you were 20 We ALL did stupid shit when you were 20 Being "well-educated" does not exempt you from doing stupid shit when you are 20 And history has proven time and time again, being a Royal Family member does not excuse you from doing stupid shit...ESPECIALLY when you are 20.
but hey, it is all conjecture...
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Wintermute
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posted 01-14-2005 06:05 PM
Snag. Why would William take heat? He did not wear the swastika I cannot recall reading that he took any heat. Anyway, you are presupposing that it was not a stunt. If it was, then it stands to reason based on Williams lack of protest, and in light of those other things I have mentioned above that William would be in on it, a silent accomplice. It's not rocket surgery.Indescretion? Definitely. Merely indescretion, probably not. - If Harry were just some dumb kid living in Arkansas, it would be easy to dismiss as simple mis-judgement, but Harry is not a dumb kid in Arkansas. He was more aware of the possible consequences which would be much more severe for someone in his place than for some dumb kid in Arkansas. In light of that, he still did it. It is most likely a stunt of some kind. As to the reason for the stunt, like you said, we can only conjecture. - Why don't we just compromise here, and say that it was a "stupid" stunt. -------------------- Verdammt durch das Fleisch. Gerettet durch das Blut.
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Mute
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posted 01-16-2005 02:04 PM
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Originally posted by Snag:
Mute...William was WITH him when he got it, and the even BETTER EDUCATED white sheep of the family said he "thought nothing of it".
It is becoming increasingly unlikely that it was not a stunt. You are now chalking it up to simple stupidity by not 1 prince but 2. If Harry was not fully aware of the meaning and possible consequences of this actions, his brother most certainly would have been and would have said something. I find it ridiculous that neither one of them thought anything of it. Riiight. Don't believe everything you read, Snag. There is some obvious spin going on by the royal family and press here. We will definitely have to agree to disagree on this one. -------------------- Ford!...there's an infinite number of monkeys outside who want to talk to us about this script for Hamlet they've worked out!
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Wintermute
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posted 01-16-2005 03:17 PM
If you believe what Harry did was mere indiscretion, then you have to believe that despite the existence of the well known evil scourge of antisemitism that exists in Europe, Harry was somehow either ignorant of it or not intelligent enough to understand the consequences of his actions in the midst of it. Among other things you have to believe that he has not had it drummed into his head all of his life that what this prince does reflects upon his family. Of course he was aware, intelligent enough, and knowing of the consequences. The only way his actions could be considered simple indiscretion would be if they were done with wreckless disregard to the things mentioned above. That is very unlikely at this point, because William was there, and supposedly thought nothing of it. ..thought nothing of it? That is just not believable. Are we supposed to believe that Harry's actions were a monumentally stupid indiscretion, yet Prince William thought nothing of it? They are lying or the family is spinning it. Anyway... There was thought behind his actions. There was purpose. I do not know what it was. I can conjecture based on other things I know, but that was not my point. At the core of my reason was simply that this action was not an uninformed action, and most definitely not an off the cuff action/decision. - If you want to ignore all facts and probabilities, then you will not have a problem labeling this action as indiscretion. - If you want to take facts into consideration, it becomes increasingly likely that Harry fully understood his action and its consequences, yet decided to do it anyway. There was purpose (meaning stunt) even if just to say 'fuck you' to the royal family. [ 01-16-2005: Message edited by: Wintermute ] -------------------- Verdammt durch das Fleisch. Gerettet durch das Blut.
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