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posted 12-23-2004 11:20 AM
quote: The first cloned-to-order pet sold in the United States is named Little Nicky, a 9-week-old kitten delivered to a Texas woman saddened by the loss of a cat she had owned for 17 years.The kitten cost its owner $50,000 and was created from DNA from her beloved cat, named Nicky, who died last year. "He is identical. His personality is the same," the owner, Julie, told The Associated Press in a telephone interview. Although she agreed to be photographed with her cat, she asked that her last name and hometown not be disclosed because she said she fears being targeted by groups opposed to cloning. Yet while Little Nicky, who was delivered two weeks ago, frolics in his new home, the kitten's creation and sale has reignited fierce ethical and scientific debate over cloning technology, which is rapidly advancing.
Cloned Cat Sale Generates Ethics Debate -------------------- Ford!...there's an infinite number of monkeys outside who want to talk to us about this script for Hamlet they've worked out!
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posted 12-23-2004 11:24 AM
quote: "He is identical. His personality is the same," the owner, Julie, told The Associated Press in a telephone interview.
*COUGH*BULLSHIT*COUGH* Identical twins do not have the same personalities. They also do not develope 100% the same. Some have moles the other does not...and many other minute variations. I hate when people say cloning replicates everything cause it does NOT. It does a disservice to people who are expecting great things from cloning. I am glad this was in the article though: quote:
In fact, the first cat cloned in 2001 had a different coat from its genetic donor, underscoring that environment and other biological variables make it impossible to exactly duplicate animals. (AP) Julie holds her nine-week-old cat "Little Nicky" Wednesday, Dec. 22, 2004 in Texas. "Little Nicky"... Full Image "The thing that many people do not realize is that the cloned cat is not the same as the original," said Bonnie Beaver, a Texas A&M animal behaviorist who heads the American Veterinary Medical Association, which has no position on the issue. "It has a different personality. It has different life experiences. They want Fluffy, but it's not Fluffy."
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posted 12-23-2004 12:35 PM
quote: Originally posted by Acid: The 6th Day!Thats cool but wierd at the same time.
Exactly. What about human cloning, though? It's one thing to genetically manipulate animals for human benefit, but it is a whole other ball of wax to do so with humans like they did in the 6th Day movie. There are all kinds of ethical and practical considerations not the least of which being the fact that the failure rate of cloned animals is way too high to risk human experimentation. Even if we knew we could successfully clone humans there is still a host of ethical problems. -------------------- Ford!...there's an infinite number of monkeys outside who want to talk to us about this script for Hamlet they've worked out!
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posted 12-23-2004 01:56 PM
quote: Originally posted by Mad Max: Well, suffice to say old Wobble the Reindeer isn't going too far. Quite how he got so fat without a mouth is beyond us.... Wobble the Reindeer
Poor Wobble looks pathetic and drunk with his sad eyes and bulbous red nose. He can't join in any reindeer games, so he looks for solace in the bottom of a bottle of christmas spirits. This is a clear case of animal cruelty, and I'm going to report you to PETA's malnutritioned and legless stuffed animals division. No stuffed reindeer should have to suffer in this way. -------------------- Ford!...there's an infinite number of monkeys outside who want to talk to us about this script for Hamlet they've worked out!
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posted 12-23-2004 02:59 PM
lol outriderWe may go see Meet the Fockers tonight. Do you think it will be worth it? Hard to tell. -------------------- ...
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posted 12-24-2004 12:56 AM
http://www.allerca.com/ WELCOME TO ALLERCA. ALLERCA is working to produce the world's first hypoallergenic cats. These cats will allow some of the millions of people allergic to cats to enjoy the love and companionship of a household pet without suffering from allergy symptoms. Note: I was wrong about the price. They're only 3500.00 US. [ 12-24-2004: Message edited by: dAm ] -------------------- Shut-up and fish
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posted 12-24-2004 05:11 PM
The problem with DNA sampled on adults for cloning purposes is that the telomeres (the endings of the chromosomes that regulate ageing among other things) still consider themselves old and are replicated as such in the embryo. Therefore, all sorts of problems usually associated with old age show up early in the clone's life. I'm not aware of that problem having been overcome recently. That's what killed Dolly. -------------------- ...
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