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Devastator
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posted 12-13-2004 02:35 PM
    
You're a moron snag. More power to the guy and all that, but the truth is.It was a object. A piece of metal. A symbol of something else. Wether or not he lost it has no real effect on that which it symbolizes. oh yeah, just so we don't get all twisted up or anything  You do know that I mean that with the utmost of respect yes? You're our moron snag as we love you to pieces. Please don't you ever change at all in the slightest way. If you were my best buddy and we were walking down the street and this conversation came up and we had it. Well, dammit, I would still call you a moron.
with affection
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Cacophonous
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posted 12-13-2004 04:50 PM
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Originally posted by Snag:
you guys are absolutely entitled to think what you want. However, I do not think you guys can get inside his head and understand how much that ring meant to him because it was a gift from his wife. Think all the women who risk dying to deliver a baby in a difficult pregnancy/delivery are morons? I mean, abort this one and try for 10 more....right?I find it shameful how so many of you simply do not give a damn about the personal choices other people make. Many of you (especially Dev) are so quick to support fudge packing as it is a personal choice. I have never attacked you for respecting someone else's choice...and then to personally attack me for respecting this man's choice?! Fuck you guys.
Women giving birth can hardly be compared to some moron that simply is not smart enough to realize that after they cut the ring off it can be easily repaired. There was no reason to have his finger cut off. You see the ring would be ok. Plus they lost it anyway. -------------------- ...
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Devastator
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posted 12-13-2004 04:56 PM
but affectionantly yes snag?
come here give us a kiss
Cac is right, a man's gold wedding band would be easy to fix. It would be the exact same deal if he ever got it resized. [ 12-13-2004: Message edited by: Devastator ] --------------------
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Devastator
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posted 12-13-2004 05:00 PM
oh yeah and yes I called you a moron. You still missed it though.Hell I call my kids dipshits all of the time. All we are saying is this guy made an unwise choice. He should have tried to keep as much of the irreplacable body part as possible as opposed to a ring. Now he has no finger and what the fuck, Gotta run back up to Wal-Mart for a new ring. Smart guy. [ 12-13-2004: Message edited by: Devastator ] --------------------
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AcidWarp
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posted 12-13-2004 05:19 PM
LOL@Outtie  I'm with Cac on this one. I thought the guy was kind of an idiot to lose the finger to save the ring. My father gave me a ring when I graduated HS. It was the same ring his parents gave him, and it's probably the most intrisically valuable thing I own. But it was the wrong size so I took it to a jeweller and got it resized. You can't even tell. Even a half-witted goldsmith can do a great job of fixing something like that. While I applaud his honorable intention, I still think it was a stupid decision. [ 12-13-2004: Message edited by: AcidWarp ] -------------------- “I have noticed even people who claim everything is predestined, and that we can do nothing to change it, look before they cross the road.” “Intelligence is the ability to adapt to change.” --Dr. Stephen Hawking.
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Mad Max
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posted 12-13-2004 06:24 PM
I guess we need all the facts like how much of the finger would they have been able to save? If they could only save a stump then maybe it makes more sense to get rid of the whole thing? The story mentioned saving as much of the finger as possible which may or may not be the whole finger.What I don't understand is why he was even given the choice? Surely the people operating on him would know that the ring could be repaired? I'm wondering what sort of shape the ring was in at the time. At the end of the day the ring is a symbol of something much greater. It can be replaced unlike a finger. I wouldn't go so far as to call the guy a moron because I don't know all the facts. I think the surgeons are the real morons for losing the ring. You would think they should have been able to realize it's importance given the decision that the kid just made. -------------------- Miss you guys.
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Flux
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posted 12-13-2004 08:49 PM
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Originally posted by Devastator:
More power to the guy and all that, but the truth is.
The truth in this case is arbitrary. Do you do the most logical thing and preserve your body, or do you the most emotional thing and preserve the symbol? The most emotional thing isn't always the most logical, but some people are going to do it anyway. This argument is completely moot, as it varies on a per-person basis. Wow, I'm starting to use a lot of 8-dollar words like WillyT! *picks nose and eats the boogers* -------------------- 
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Cacophonous
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posted 12-13-2004 09:19 PM
Symbol is a good word for it. His finger is real.
His wife is real.
Their love is real. The ring is just a symbol and can easily be repaired or replaced. I still think you would have to be a moron to make that decision. Without thee ring finger where would ye wear thy ring? -------------------- ...
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AcidWarp
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posted 12-13-2004 09:44 PM
You already answered that question earlier Cac. quote:
Originally posted by Cacophonous:
I bet he would have changed his mind if it were a penis ring.
-------------------- “I have noticed even people who claim everything is predestined, and that we can do nothing to change it, look before they cross the road.” “Intelligence is the ability to adapt to change.” --Dr. Stephen Hawking.
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WillyTrombone
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posted 12-13-2004 10:13 PM
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Originally posted by Cacophonous:
Symbol is a good word for it. His finger is real.
His wife is real.
Their love is real. The ring is just a symbol and can easily be repaired or replaced. I still think you would have to be a moron to make that decision. Without thee ring finger where would ye wear thy ring?
I really must agree here.I mean, to extend the birth analogy, what if the wife refused an episiotomy on the grounds that she wanted her love to her husband be manifest in the natural birth of their child, and as a result, their child ended up with brain damage retardation? When you truly love a person, and truly trust that love in them, you don't need symbols to affirm your love. It will be real enough. -------------------- signature
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J0SH
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posted 12-14-2004 12:18 PM
he probably scored like 10,000 brownie points from his wife. "oh honey, sorry for cheating on you, but I DID cut my finger off for you, remember?"speaking of the birth thing, i watched that evil show the swan last night and there was a lady who was trying to have a baby for 10 years but couldn't. her husband didn't believe in adoption. that sucks! -------------------- I am.
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Mad Max
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posted 12-14-2004 06:05 PM
Just thinking about this some more today. Quote from story:
"The 19-year-old suffered a mangled left hand and serious wounds to his legs in a November 13 fire fight in Falluja."Sounds like his hand was, well, err, mangled. Maybe he had already lost 3 of his fingers meaning the last one wasn't that much of a big deal? I think some people _may_ be thinking that the marine was making a simple choice of ring or finger. Most of us here would say "lose the ring" but if you had already lost most of your hand what difference does one more finger make? I pity the guy and on thinking about it again as I said, I think it's really sad that a guy in his position would be labelled as a moron. Maybe those saying he is a moron would like to put their hand in a wood chipper and then be asked to make the same decision? [ 12-14-2004: Message edited by: Mad Max ] -------------------- Miss you guys.
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