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Mad Max
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posted 12-10-2004 01:12 PM
    
Hi guys,I've been reading / participating in a debate on another board about corporal punishment and kids. Might as well start a fight here too.  Basically a guy in the UK was prevented from going to his home for 6 months because he smacked his 3 year old. Here's the story: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4080293.stm I personally believe that the beating / abusing of children is disgusting BUT I also believe that a parent should be allowed to smack their own child. When I say smack I don't mean "punch in the face", "belt", "take a 3-iron to" or anything like that, I simply mean "open hand on butt". I also don't think that parents should really be smacking there children all the time, different crimes deserve different punishments. Where the other argument fell apart is that the people who are against smacking children focus on the parents who beat the shit out of their kids and I think there are other, more responsibile ways to administer corporal punishment than that. I don't think that parents HAVE to smack their kids, that's up to them, but I don't think they should be punished for doing so. Thoughts? -------------------- Miss you guys.
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Flux
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posted 12-10-2004 02:11 PM
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Quick question about corporal punishment
Quick? How long have you posted here? *waits for the gasoline and matches* -------------------- 
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AcidWarp
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posted 12-10-2004 02:52 PM
I was smacked as a kid too, but my brother and sisters weren't really. Oddly, I'm the only one of my siblings that didn't turn into an arogant shithead. Must be something there.Me though, if it were my own kids, I probably wouldn't. I would go to lengths to avoid it. There are other more effective ways. Having ones mouth washed out with soap works wonders. -------------------- “I have noticed even people who claim everything is predestined, and that we can do nothing to change it, look before they cross the road.” “Intelligence is the ability to adapt to change.” --Dr. Stephen Hawking.
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Mute
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posted 12-10-2004 11:42 PM
I think children need to learn the valuabe life lesson of cause and effect. They need to learn early on that there are consequences to their actions. A spanking as long as done in love and not out of anger will serve as an immediate painful consequence to disobedience when the child is just too young to understand the higher values that adults understand. When they get older removing certain freedoms (grounding) may be a more appropriate discipline.The Bible tells us: quote:
"He who spareth the rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him correcteth him betimes" (Proverbs 13:24) and "Withhold not correction from a child: for if thou strike him with the rod, he shall not die. Thou shalt beat him with the rod, and deliver his soul from hell." (Proverbs 23:13-14)
-------------------- Ford!...there's an infinite number of monkeys outside who want to talk to us about this script for Hamlet they've worked out!
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AcidWarp
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posted 12-11-2004 12:55 AM
Mute, lick a bar of soap. Trust me, it's easily as good a deterrent.-------------------- “I have noticed even people who claim everything is predestined, and that we can do nothing to change it, look before they cross the road.” “Intelligence is the ability to adapt to change.” --Dr. Stephen Hawking.
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Mute
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posted 12-11-2004 12:32 PM
That reminds me of when I was a kid, and my grandmother would put soap in my mouth when I cussed. I wouldn't breath through my nose until I got it rinsed out. That way I wouldn't taste it. It was still an unpleasant experience, and as a result I didn't cuss as much (around the house). Serious corporal punishment make kids think twice about breaking the rules wherever they are. Soap isn't going to do that as well as a swat.As they grow older, for obvious reasons swatting will inevitably become a less affective deterrent, but by that time things like grounding and the suspending of allowance will serve the same purpose. Of course, all punishment should be carried out in the spirit of love. It will be necessary to punish children less as they grow older and begin to understand and embrace the values of good behavior. -------------------- Ford!...there's an infinite number of monkeys outside who want to talk to us about this script for Hamlet they've worked out!
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LordVader
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posted 12-14-2004 11:48 AM
IMO...corporal punishment only teaches children to not get caught. Children have enormous mental capacity and can be reasoned with much more than adults give them credit. Talk to them, explain their actions, and speak to them about their actions. Punishment is necessary at times, but withholding a privilege (grounding, no TV, earlier bed-time, etc..) has more meaning (again, IMO), as it is more lasting and gives them time to think about what they did wrong rather than a quick spankiing. I am not necessarily opposed to corporal punishment, I just don't think it works. Most of the time, parents who spank their kids do it spontaneously out of anger or frustration. If you can't control yourself and be the adult, maybe you shouldn't have become a parent. I was spanked as a child, as was my wife. We both became rather adept at 'sneaking around' and lying to avoid the smack. We decided very early on to not hit our children, just to see how it would work (trial basis). To this day, we have not hit our children. They have both turned out behaviorally fantastic (well, at least better than me or my wife, and certainly better than their cousins). I suppose the end justifies the means for me, and had we chosen to use corporal punishment instead, and they turned out as they are now, I may be extolling the virtues of a good whipping.
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Flux
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posted 12-14-2004 04:53 PM
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Originally posted by Mute:
The Bible tells us:"He who spareth the rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him correcteth him betimes" (Proverbs 13:24) and "Withhold not correction from a child: for if thou strike him with the rod, he shall not die. Thou shalt beat him with the rod, and deliver his soul from hell." (Proverbs 23:13-14)
I also like how the bible says slavery, racism, prejudice and incest is ok. Spare the rod, spoil the child. Knock him upside the head when he fucks up every now and then, but not because the bible said so, and certainly not to save him from hell. He won't learn the lesson if he doesn't know why he's getting punished. --------------------
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Mute
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posted 12-14-2004 06:06 PM
Flux ~ If you don't believe the scripture is worth considering, than argue with the secular reasoning I've given. Ah, but you just wanted to fight didn't you. Grow up.BTW. If you want to claim the bible says something, you should provide scripture to prove it, otherwise, why should anyone take your word for it. BTW, just because something is in the bible doesn't mean that it is being endorsed. I await your scriptural proof. -------------------- Ford!...there's an infinite number of monkeys outside who want to talk to us about this script for Hamlet they've worked out!
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FS
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posted 12-15-2004 04:56 AM
Damn Vader, I've had some differences in opinion with you, but that last one really raises my opinion of you.That's the problem with so many things in the world, people are satisfied to be correcting symptoms, while they ignore the causes. And finally, I can't speak of personal experience, but I think a child recognizes love and affection from pretty young up. If a child does something wrong, I think you can drive the message home just by controlling the amount of love and affection expressed. -------------------- quote:
Originally posted by FS:
Wow, I can't believe I'm agreeing with FS on this one
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Devastator
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posted 12-15-2004 09:12 AM
I spank my kids (rarely and mostly for shock effect..it's not like you smack em hard enough to hurt them) It's like a dog with a rolled up newspaper. The sound as much as anything else does the trick.I'm sorry but I think a lot depends on the child. Time out is a joke. AT least if you end up with a hard headed child. I have three boys and they are all different.
To each his own, I think that good parenting is good parenting however it is achieved. My children are greatly loved and they know/feel it. (WHich reminds me, Yesterday my cat jumped up on the computer desk and wanted to be pet. She jumped up and did that thing where they stretch and arch thier ass in the air a bit. Anyway about that time (I'm talking on ICQ at that moment), my 5 year old walks up and asks, "What's that hole on the cat's back?" while proceeding to basically stick his index finger up to the first digit up the cat's ass. I was stunned. Took me a full 5 seconds to even start laughing andtaking the boy to wash his hands. Now, WTF was THAT all about? -------------------- 
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