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Mad Max
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posted 11-08-2004 06:20 PM
I copied this from Edinburgh Evening News' website tonight. I just wanted to post it here because it "might" be interesting to read what the foreign press is saying about him. Sure, Edinburgh is in Scotland which is part of the UK which is in bed with the US in Iraq but I still think it makes interesting reading. By the way, this report is not a leading story, it's in the "Heroes and Villains" section of the paper that is preceded with this text: quote: NB: we know that there are far more worthy heroes than those listed here - doctors, nurses, aid workers, Franck Sauzee, etc. Similarly, murderers, rapists and dictators are indisputably far greater villains. This column does not deal with them. It is designed to honour those who have caused surprise by their actions.
Here's the story: quote: Hero: Dubya You've got to hand it to George Walker Bush. Everyone in the world thought he was a moronic, mouth-breathing, knuckle-dragging, mindless puppet doing the bidding of his super-rich, neo-con, oil-soaked paymasters while paying lip service to the concerns of the great unwashed.Instead it turns out he's a political genius. The American economy is going down the toilet. It has a budget deficit ($4 trillion over the next 10 years) that would make Kim Jong Il blush. Worryingly, China and Hong Kong have accumulated $177 billion of US debt, giving the world's biggest dictatorship a great deal of economic power over the world's richest democracy. Vast amounts have been squandered on enormous tax cuts that disproportionately favour the super-wealthy (the bottom 60% of US society got a mere 14.7% of Bush's $1.6 trillion giveaway, while the richest 1% got half of it). Meanwhile unemployment has rocketed. And for George, healthcare is just another word that begins with "h", like "Iran". In short, the ordinary American is getting royally shafted by the Bush administration. And yet Dubya persuaded the suckers to vote for him. The man's a genius. How'd he do it? Well, he made them scared. Not in the way he makes us scared - by having his finger on the nuclear trigger while looking very dim and slightly deranged - but by raising mythical bogeymen to terrify middle America. After the horrific attacks on the US on 11 September, 2001, the Bush administration should have dedicated all its resources to hunting down Osama bin Laden and his little helpers. Instead, after taking out the Taliban in Afghanistan (a good move spoiled slightly by the chaotic mess that country is currently in), Dubya decided to focus on Iraq: a country that had nothing to do with 9/11. Despite all the lies about weapons of mass destruction, al-Qaeda training camps and uranium from Nigeria, Saddam Hussein was as great a threat to the US as my mum. (Note to any neo-cons who might be reading: this means that the Iraqi leader was not a threat at all. It does not mean you should carpet-bomb my mum's house or have her deposed in a right-wing coup.) Careful use of terror alerts have kept swing voters good and jumpy so that they chose the "tough" George Dubya Bush over the "sane" John Kerry. This despite the fact that the Iraq adventure has made America more of a terrorist target than it was before and that American (and British) servicemen are dying there at a frightening rate. And yet Dubya persuaded the suckers to vote for him. The man's a genius. As a result we're in for an exciting four years of unfettered neo-con crusading. Especially if you live in or near a member of the axis of evil: Iran, North Korea, Palestine, Syria, Libya, Venezuela, the Pitcairn Islands, France, San Francisco... On the brighter side, US domestic policy's going to be dictated by extreme fundamentalists so the colonials might as well tear up that precious consitution of theirs and replace it with the Book of Leviticus. And yet Dubya persuaded the suckers to vote for him. The man's a genius. Truly, we "misunderestimated" him.
[ 11-08-2004: Message edited by: Mad Max ] -------------------- Miss you guys.
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posted 11-08-2004 08:12 PM
Hehe, same old lines. I didn't vote because I was 'scared'. I'm not sitting here, cowering, shaking with fear. But I know that the terrorists are out there, and want to kill. And they don't care if Bush or Kerry is president. And, yes, I think Kerry would royally screw up that aspect of his presidency. And the economy? It's going up, ladies and gentlemen, something the liberals don't want to talk about. So, no, Bush didn't fool me into voting for him. I just didn't let Kerry fool me into voting for HIM!
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Cyrus
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posted 11-09-2004 12:45 AM
The whole debate on how people voted for Bush because of his faith in god is the exact thing that the Kerry voters were voting against. Kerry has his own faith and religion that he lives by, but the difference between him and Bush is that Kerry wasn't letting his religion be the basis for his policies.Just look at all the recent new policies that were adopted by Bush in the past few years, he wants to ban gay marriage, and he wants to ban further development of stem cell research. These policies were not thought up for the good of America, they were thought up because they go against everything that Bush's religion stands for. The very basis of a democratic society is one that gives the people the right and will to do what they want and believe in what they want. Bush preaches that America is a true example of a democratic society, yet he wants to ban anything that goes against his own ideals, well what about the people who support these ideals, are they not entitled to the basic rights that a democratic society is endowed with. Shouldn't a person be able to be married to the person of their choice and recieve the same benefits that any other married couple would recieve? Shouldn't we further our knowledge of stem cells in order to help millions of people across the world? This is not a bash against America, I respect America and it's people, but I do not respect Bush and his government (for more than this one issue). Any leader of a democratic country should not let his religion or beliefs be the deciding factor in the way they govern a country. This is just my opinion, you are free to judge this in any way you wish, but I just had to say something about this whole issue. -------------------- Shiny.
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posted 11-09-2004 01:35 AM
Stem Cell research was never banned. Its going on this very minute. Just no new stem cells could be harvested.Gay Marriage is such a non-issue with me. I lump it together with other 'hot topics' such as abortion. Not that we shouldn't work on these 'hot topics' but in my eyes they will always be around and at the sametime be pretty unsolveable. I also think the ideas of gay marriage are tricky, mostly for money reasons. Not that I am against it, I wish gay people could get married but I think its tricky like I said Heres is my opinion, I think stem cell research, gay marriage, and abortion are all bad topics to focus on. America has a lot of global power and I think we as voters don't realize the scope of our power, so instead we get infatutated with gay marriage/relegion/abortion lather, rinse, and repeat. It's selfish and stupid but then again these are the issues we are "supposed" to be worried with but I've never, ever once been concerned with them. [ 11-09-2004: Message edited by: mynameisxanthan ]
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posted 11-10-2004 11:43 AM
Acid - We had a surplus when bush took over. Cy - Are you saying that the dems are the only ones that used scare tactics during the election? I guess I don't know what you are trying to say. Snag - I thought you went through a sex change about six months ago? I guess that does not necessarily make you gay though. Either way calling someone a fag or discussing ass fucking between men does not convince anyone you are a macho hetero. -------------------- ...
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posted 11-11-2004 07:59 PM
You know, I don't care for the whole diversity movement thing going on. I get an email from the new Diversity Manager, and I'm thinking... what the heck is that? I didn't know we had a Diversity Mgr. What does that have to do with work. Later I find out the diversity movement within corporations is about getting more customers.. basically it's about money, but anway. It was an email inviting all employees to celebrate diversity by coming out and walking in a gay parade.Don't get me wrong. I don't hate gay people or anything. The bible tells us Christians to hate the sin, love the person, right? Well, what bothers me about it is you can't celebrate diversity unless you are celebrating all sides of sexuality or all sides of race, religion, etc. Someone mentioned it before. If you were to try to celebrate diversity by having a parade for heterosexuality, white pride, or... Christianity, you would be boo'd and heckled, and accused of being a biggot or something. That's hypocritical dammit. I could go on, but that's enough right now. -------------------- I once had a Quantum Car, but every time I looked at the speedometer, I'd get lost. - Heisenberg
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Mad Max
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posted 11-12-2004 09:11 AM
quote: Originally posted by Cyborg6: Oh yeah great, there goes JaY sucking up to the other GaY guys in here. There is nothing wrong with being simple or GaY or just like JaY. What was the topic?
I am not gay Cy. I know it's your idea of a joke, it's just not very clever. The more I read of your constant put downs of gays or those that try and defend them, the more I believe you are living in a closet. Edit: Ooops, I forgot the that makes everything OK.
[ 11-12-2004: Message edited by: Mad Max ] -------------------- Miss you guys.
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