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AcidWarp
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posted 08-23-2004 09:25 PM
    
Borked link?-------------------- “I have noticed even people who claim everything is predestined, and that we can do nothing to change it, look before they cross the road.” “Intelligence is the ability to adapt to change.” --Dr. Stephen Hawking.
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WillyTrombone
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posted 08-25-2004 02:32 AM
heh. that image is one of the highlights of the dallas protestwarrior chapter. (full story here They started protesting the weekly halliburton protestors a couple months ago and have very narrowly avoided fisticuffs with the pacifists a few times. It's really funny because all the pacifist protestors want to do is find some way to harm the protestwarriors. They are getting very nasty about it. I think they might even be behind the recent hacking and defacement of the protestwarrior website. It's funny... the message they put up after the hacking was accusing the protestwarriors being abusive and hate-mongering while calling them nazis, fascists, and brown-shirts, and then went on to claim that the protestwarriors are bad because they don't let others get their opinions out, and of course, they did so by over-writing the text of the portestwarrior website and spamming the mailing list. It was so ridiculously hypocritical, I really have to wonder if they were for real.BTW, I'm trying to get a similar group together here at the university to crash the inevitable leftist rallies that will take place this fall. [ 08-25-2004: Message edited by: WillyTrombone ] -------------------- signature
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outrider
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posted 08-25-2004 08:55 AM
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Originally posted by Drako:
Here's my suggestion: Build up the Iraqi army. Give them a sh*tload of the most powerful crowd killing weaponry we have, and pull out every fsking ground troop we have in that country. Now park two carriers off the coast and let the Iraqi's call in our strike fighters.In other words, let the Iraqi govt solve its own problems, but provide a little aerial backup if they get in a tight spot. Iraq isn't going to calm down until every one of these nutball fundies is six feet under, but every time WE kill one, we spawn three more. Let them kill their own and end the cycle.
I agree. Best statement yet in this thread.
edited to remove negative words towards snag because...well just because I feel peaceful today. Yea, that's it. btw, Mrs Cy's post is a good statement also. [ 08-25-2004: Message edited by: outrider ]
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outrider
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posted 08-25-2004 03:48 PM
However, "If disagreeing with policy is the same as hating" ...It will be interesting to see if there are any violent protests in the coming days of the republican convention. I don't recall any violent protests of the DNC, or even any threats prior to it. Yet, there are rumors of such taking place during the republicans turn at the podium. Ironic when you think about it and consider the given...er um...supposedly "mindset" of the two groups and how they actually react in reality. Usually the "protestors" only come out when America is involved in some type of war, doesn't matter how many people are killed if America is not involved. Heck, most of the protestors are usually unaware of such events that happen pretty much year round somewhere in the world. Protesting is good, but more times than not, it's just an excuse to take the day off from work or school and get high and feel like you're doing something righteous and important, but only when you want to look like you're doing something righteous and important.
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AcidWarp
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posted 08-26-2004 03:03 AM
I'm more curious as to how it became unpatriotic to criticize their government, when that's a right they presume to defend, and consider patriotic. Rather hypocriphal don't you think?I thought it was the job of every citizen to question his/her government. After all, the people at large are the ones the government is ultimately accountable to. [ 08-26-2004: Message edited by: AcidWarp ] -------------------- “I have noticed even people who claim everything is predestined, and that we can do nothing to change it, look before they cross the road.” “Intelligence is the ability to adapt to change.” --Dr. Stephen Hawking.
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Cyborg6
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posted 08-26-2004 01:40 PM
I guess what is bothering me is that those who are republican/independent are censored bye the left. Don’t believe me? Just bring up something around a group of Kerry supporters. They go nuts and don’t even give you a chance to explain yourself.I agree that calling people stupid is not nice, I used the image to try to make a point about this anger. This anger is very real, and is a major concern of mine. Look what happened in Spain, the terrorists are winning and we are whining. Don't know why I even come here anymore, wife threatens divorce, people call me names, but as usual I brought it on myself…how fucking retarded eh?
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outrider
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posted 08-26-2004 02:01 PM
I don't think you brought anything on yourself, Cy. In fact you've not posted anything hateful towards any other person who has posted in this thread. Your intelligence has been questioned, it's been suggested your head is up your ass and that you are a baby. You didn't resort to name calling or talking about trailer park trash or suggesting medication dosage increases when jumped on for posting the picture either. All you did was post a picture. I doubt you actually arranged for the picture to be made by having the sign the man used in it created for the purpose of taking a picture of him holding it so that you could then post it here as a serious reflection of all you hold dear in this world for your fellow posters to see, understand and grasp as your innermost idealogy and belief. No, you just stumbled across this picture I would assume, and found it amusing. In fact, I believe the picture you posted could easily be used by Jay Leno, David Letterman, Conan, or any other number of show hosts or comedians as part of a monologue joke, and I doubt the audience would have called them idiots, babies or accuse them of having their heads up their asses. So, no I don't think you've brought anything upon yourself in this thread.
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FS
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posted 08-26-2004 02:24 PM
Cy's first post was hilarious.Cy's second and third posts are what 'brought it on', including my comment. What I think of people's comments to the first post, I don't comment. -------------------- quote:
Originally posted by FS:
Wow, I can't believe I'm agreeing with FS on this one
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Cyborg6
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posted 08-26-2004 02:26 PM
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Originally posted by outrider:
I don't think you brought anything on yourself, Cy. In fact you've not posted anything hateful towards any other person who has posted in this thread. Your intelligence has been questioned, it's been suggested your head is up your ass and that you are a baby. You didn't resort to name calling or talking about trailer park trash or suggesting medication dosage increases when jumped on for posting the picture either. All you did was post a picture. I doubt you actually arranged for the picture to be made by having the sign the man used in it created for the purpose of taking a picture of him holding it so that you could then post it here as a serious reflection of all you hold dear in this world for your fellow posters to see, understand and grasp as your innermost idealogy and belief. No, you just stumbled across this picture I would assume, and found it amusing. In fact, I believe the picture you posted could easily be used by Jay Leno, David Letterman, Conan, or any other number of show hosts or comedians as part of a monologue joke, and I doubt the audience would have called them idiots, babies or accuse them of having their heads up their asses. So, no I don't think you've brought anything upon yourself in this thread.
Thank you Outrider, believe it or not I try not to be an asshole but rarely get a chance to speak my mind. AND as you see I am still in the process of forming an opinion so I should probably shut the hell up! 
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FS
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posted 08-26-2004 02:27 PM
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Originally posted by Cyborg6:
I guess what is bothering me is that those who are republican/independent are censored bye the left. Don’t believe me? Just bring up something around a group of Kerry supporters. They go nuts and don’t even give you a chance to explain yourself.
Are you saying this is not done by the right? While in the same thread posting that pic? -------------------- quote:
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Wow, I can't believe I'm agreeing with FS on this one
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Max
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posted 08-27-2004 01:45 AM
"I guess what is bothering me is that those who are republican/independent are censored bye the left. Don’t believe me? Just bring up something around a group of Kerry supporters. They go nuts and don’t even give you a chance to explain yourself."Most of the people I hang around with are Republicans but I don't hang out with them for their political beliefs. Hell, I can't even vote here and if I could I don't know who I think is lying the least enough to get my vote!!! Anyway, you take one dem and 9 republicans, or vice versa, and you are going to see the same thing, the minority not getting heard. It's frustrating to say the least. What pisses me off the most about many politicians around election time is the amount of time they spend belittling their opponent(s) as opposed to trying to convince me that they deserve my vote. It's been that way for as long as I can remember. I don't know what it's like now but if anyone was "lucky" enough to see any of the live broadcasts from the house of commons when tv cameras were first allowed in there it was pretty embarassing. I was like, "these idiots are running our country!?!?". Anyway, nice pic Cy. Can't say that I agree with it but I still think it's funny.  -------------------- (_*_)
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AcidWarp
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posted 08-27-2004 02:21 AM
Cy, I tried to direct my comment into the middle. At neither left, nor right. Censorship fucking blows, and BOTH sides do it.My point was more that your current administration, through Patriot Acts 1&2 have taken your rights to freedom of expression, and freedom of privacy and basically flushed them. All the while screaming at the top of their lungs about supporting freedom. Case in point, the vid cams. I want the freedom to NOT be video taped when I walk into a places like libraries, or when I'm driving down the street, or waiting at a crosswalk. It's supposed to be innocent till proven guilty, not the other way around.
As for the Kerry supporters going up in flames. If it was a democrat in office, you have to admit, the republican supporters would do EXACTLY the same thing. Every profession, every social gathering, every political party, attracts its share of louts. I don't have a problem with you supporting Bush. Although, I would do my best to convince you otherwise, I would never call you down for it. I actually found that picture quite funny. So did a friend of mine who also sits on the left. [ 08-27-2004: Message edited by: AcidWarp ] [ 08-27-2004: Message edited by: AcidWarp ] -------------------- “I have noticed even people who claim everything is predestined, and that we can do nothing to change it, look before they cross the road.” “Intelligence is the ability to adapt to change.” --Dr. Stephen Hawking.
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posted 08-27-2004 10:04 AM
I think anyone who supports Bush is an America hating idiot.not really....but it is just as unfair to say anyone who wants bush out of office is an america hating idiot. -------------------- I am.
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Flux
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posted 08-27-2004 12:17 PM
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Originally posted by outrider:
True, but the problem is for every one person like your mother, there are hundreds, thousands even, who abuse welfare programs.
Every system will have its leeches. We shouldn't bail on the good many just because there are a bad few. I seriously doubt that the stats on the honest vs. the dishonest are that extreme. As for people who complain about services they pay for but do not use, if they don't like giving a little to help a lot of people, they need to go find their own little island somewhere in the South Pacific. That's not to say I'm all for communism because I'm not, but a few taxes really aren't all that bad. [ 08-27-2004: Message edited by: Flux ] -------------------- 
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FS
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posted 08-27-2004 12:43 PM
I would go as far as to say that the benefits of a social wellfare system greatly outweigh the money misspent on the people who leech. It's just the price to pay.But I do support models where the amount of social support diminishes with time of use, and that people would have to work for getting the support. There's always use for ditch diggers, and it would discourage the leechers. Or, if you're a student, you'd have to pass classes at a high enough rate in order to skip the manual labor. -------------------- quote:
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Wow, I can't believe I'm agreeing with FS on this one
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outrider
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posted 08-27-2004 12:50 PM
I view a lot of welfare programs like this: I'll use my daughter's school for example. Her lunch costs two bucks a day, I give her a check to cover each month, but if I make a mistake and she is short one day, she doesn't get lunch. Well, they give her a pbj sandwich or whatever, yet the kids on the free lunch program get what all the other kids are eating. Now that is not so much my beef, but some of the parents of the kids that get free lunches drive nicer cars than I do, yet their kids are "eligible" for free lunches, but when my daughter forgets her lunch money, she is basically being punished.And I can't count the times I've seen people in grocery stores using food stamps for food and buying beer and cigs with their cash. It's funny how a mexican can come over here and find a job within a week, but some people born in this country eligible for benefits can never seem to find a job.
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Cyborg6
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posted 08-27-2004 01:53 PM
While walking down the street in Boston one day I passed a little old bag lady. As I passed I thought to myself, that lady is someone’s grandmother so I popped into a burger king and bought her a lunch. When I went back and handed it to her she started yelling at me that she wanted cash!!!Welfare is suburban guilt and democrats who are more emotional tend to fall into the trap easier. We have so much and feel bad for those who do not so instead of going down to the crack house and trying to save someone we do what is safer, we hand them cash. You can not give cash to someone who has not learned how to work for a living. I was a drunk who used to collect cans to pay for booze. I lived in my old jeep for an entire summer when my parents kicked me out of my home. It was the best thing that could have happened to me. I then discovered working and it set me free, thanks to my brother who pointed out its benefits. There is nothing more for filling than having a passion in life. I agree with work programs and after school programs BTW. So in a way if you cut someone loose you are increasing their chances of climbing back onboard using their own strength. They just need a little push in the right direction from a friend or two. [ 08-27-2004: Message edited by: Cyborg6 ]
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posted 08-27-2004 10:08 PM
What if they can't work because a physical or mental handicap Cy, giving them that push will drive them to the streets.I know at least 3 people off the top of my head that are disabled enough that they can't work, one of which is confined to a wheel chair due to Multiple Sclerosis. You wanna cut them loose? [ 08-27-2004: Message edited by: AcidWarp ] -------------------- “I have noticed even people who claim everything is predestined, and that we can do nothing to change it, look before they cross the road.” “Intelligence is the ability to adapt to change.” --Dr. Stephen Hawking.
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