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AcidWarp
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posted 07-15-2004 10:06 PM     Profile for AcidWarp   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
For you nay sayers of PCI-Express. Here's a good read up on the technology and why it's so vastly superior to the current PCI bus implementation. It's not about increasing Graphics cards performance at all. It's about the implementation of the whole bus architecture. And there WILL be vast improvements in overall system performance and scalability. And if you knew anything then you'd know that with PCI-Express you can parallel process two graphics cards
http://arstechnica.com/paedia/p/pci-express/pcie-1.html

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posted 07-16-2004 12:12 AM     Profile for Snag   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Nate, I have never been against pcix. In fact I look forward to it. But there is NO advantage now when you consider the little things and then consider the "right now" factor...
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posted 07-16-2004 12:27 AM     Profile for Acid   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Yeah. They haven't made anything outstanding for it yet, that's the problem.
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AcidWarp
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posted 07-16-2004 12:52 AM     Profile for AcidWarp   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Well of course not. . . DUH!!

I wasn't talking to you specifically, or really to anyone. I just wanted to get people posting

If you haven't yet though, read the article.

Actually, when you think about it a second, There are intel boards out right now that support PCI-E (pci-x is something different btw). With onboard sound/lan etc, you don't have to go out and get a pci-e NIC or something, and PCI-e gfx cards are out now as well. Combine with Serial ATA and DDR2 and it'll out bench it's non-pcie equivlant.

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posted 07-16-2004 01:58 AM     Profile for Zippy   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
What he said ...

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posted 07-16-2004 08:56 AM     Profile for Snag   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I am well aware of the server side pci-x. It's kinda why I wish they would come out with an actual differentiating acronym...because they in fact call it pci-x too (except the x stands for eXtended, not eXpress). And sure, it will outbench its equivilant...but at what cost? I could get a Ferrari...a nice fast very expensive car. 0-60 ion whatever and top speed of insane proportions. But what does that benefit me when the speed limit is 55? See what I am saying Nate. Right now, for the cost of that shit and the benefit it has over current technology, there is ZERO benefit other than bragging rights. If that is what is important to you, go ahead. But mark my words....remember the problems that plagued AGP8. If yougo with the first round of ANY technology, you are playing an expensive game of Russian roullette.

And zippy...to quote the Big Labowski... "SHUT THE FUCK UP DONNY!"

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posted 07-16-2004 09:47 AM     Profile for outrider   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
There's gonna be a new sheriff in town soon.
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posted 07-16-2004 10:07 AM     Profile for outrider   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
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I could get a Ferrari...a nice fast very expensive car. 0-60 ion whatever and top speed of insane proportions. But what does that benefit me when the speed limit is 55?


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NVIDIA is telling us that when used with the Unreal3 engine, they are seeing increases in frame rate of up to 87%. To qualify this statement, I think it is needed to note here that an engineer stood behind this statement, not just NVIDIA's marketing department.

For those that can afford NVIDIA’s SLI technology when it come time are very likely to be experiencing some of the best in-game Image Quality we have every seen. The potential for NVIDA SLI on the NV45 is simply mind-blowing. I know it certainly has me thinking, "DOOM3 at 1600." Two 6800Ultras working together would afford you full support of Shader Model 2.0 and 3.0 combined with a high level of AA, AF and resolution with tremendously increased performance with all these features in action.


The Bottom Line

NVIDIA’s new SLI technology is something that really excites us here at HardOCP and I bet there are more than a few others out there that have the same feelings. If nothing else, look at this early SLI warning as a nice mention from NVIDIA to start saving your pennies. Of course, NVIDIA’s desire here is to show you how your purchase of a 6800Ultra now could pay off big time six months or so down the road. And I have to say, if I were about to pull the trigger on a new ATI video card purchase that I knew would be for a long-time install, this NVIDIA SLI technology would certainly make me stop and rethink my position.


Sounds like a ferrari on the autobahn to me.


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posted 07-16-2004 10:08 AM     Profile for GFKiller   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Who wouldn't say PCI-Express is vastly superior to PCI? A deaf, dumb mute?
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posted 07-16-2004 10:19 AM     Profile for outrider   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Damn this thread and nvidia are making me excited. Six months or so and I'll be ready for a new box too. Sounds like HDTV gaming is going to be great next year!
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Acid
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posted 07-16-2004 10:38 AM     Profile for Acid   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
That card will probably be worth more than my car too.
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posted 07-16-2004 10:52 AM     Profile for outrider   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Yea, but you can buy one, then buy another one a few months later.

Back in my younger single days I use to spend 200 bucks a night hitting bars. Now that I'm married, my little pc hobby is much cheaper considering, heh.


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posted 07-17-2004 12:45 AM     Profile for Snag   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
and SLI is exactly what I was waiting for. Zippy, remember me telling you about that a couple months ago...and reminiscing of the old Voodoo2 days

PCI Express is by far superior...but again, right now the benefits are not there. 6 months to a year will be a whole new story though.


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posted 07-17-2004 09:41 AM     Profile for Acid   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
ATi had the same idea with the Rage Fury MAXX, only it never worked right (when they still made shitty drivers).
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posted 07-19-2004 12:38 PM     Profile for Flux   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
PCI Express = AGP 16x

The good thing about it tho is that instead of having 1 PCI Express slot as if it were an AGP slot, the whole slot array can be PCI Express. Multiple graphics cards, higher bandwidth available for other types cards besides GPUs, you can actually keep your old gfx card in the system if you buy a new one (dual monitor setups fucking rule). There are a lot of advantages to the new architecture besides raw performance increases.

And ever since nVidia devoured 3Dfx, I've been wondering if they were going to resurrect SLI.

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