Bush is fucking hilarious in it.
http://www.fahrenheit911.com/

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Have you seen it yet?

I didn't think so.

Next.

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I agree that President Bush can be pretty funny at times, but I have to wonder how much of what was funny in Moore's movie is truly in the context of what he was saying when he said whatever was funny. Knowing Moore's "candor" I have doubts as to whether what is in the movie should be called President Bush or a character loosely based on him, performed by recordings of him.

I have a video around here somewhere of President Bush from some time (presumably) before he entered public office, drunkenly conversing with some random reporter on the street. He is very funny in it, though I don't mean that in a derogatory sense.

I don't know Bush but for his occasional public appearances, but what I have heard from personal accounts of those who are close to him suggests he is a very nice and a very humorous man, regardless of what anyone wants to think about him based on their opinion of his policy.

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BTW this one won Best Picture at the 2004 Cannes Film Festival.

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Glad you enjoyed the movie, Cac. I think I will pass on this one.

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I think as a nation we need something new to collectively make fun of. The whole "Bush is stupid" fad is just boring to me now. The horse isn't dead and beaten, its already buried and rotting.

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Why would you care, Snag? You live in Canada. That's like me giving a rat's ass if Quebec secedes (which I don't).

Glad you enjoyed the movie, Cac. I think I will pass on this one.

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Well, we have a something in common: Neither of us give a shit if Quebec secedes.

The facts stated in Fahrenheit 9/11 are well documented and are based entirely on the findings contained in the 9/11 commission draft report, which states, "After the airspace reopened, six chartered flights with 142 people, mostly Saudi Arabian nationals, departed from the United States between September 14 and 24. One flight, the so-called Bin Laden flight, departed the United States on September 20 with 26 passengers, most of them relatives of Osama Bin Laden."

Former counterterrorism chief Richard Clarke has testified that he approved these flights, stating that "it was a conscious decision with complete review at the highest levels of the State Department and the FBI and the White House." Testimony of Richard Clarke, Former Counterterrorism Chief, National Security Council, before The Senate Judiciary Committee, September 3, 2003.

According to Jack Cloonan, a former senior agent on the joint FBI-CIA Al-Qaeda task force, who is interviewed in Fahrenheit 9/11. Cloonan raises questions about the type of investigation to which these individuals were subjected, finding it highly unusual that in light of the seriousness of the attack on 9/11, bin Laden family members were allowed to leave the country and escape without anyone getting their statements on record in any kind of formal proceeding, and with little more than a brief interview.

Most Saudis who left were not interviewed at all by the FBI. In fact, of the 142 Saudis on these flights, only 30 were interviewed
The film puts this in perspective. Imagine President Clinton facilitating the exit of members of the McVeigh out of the country following the Oklahoma City bombing. Or compare this treatment to the hundreds of people detained following the 9/11 attacks who were held without charges for months on end, who had no relationship to Osama bin Laden.

The question, which has never been answered, is what was the rush in getting these individuals out of the country? As Cloonan says, ""If I had to inconvenience a member of the bin Laden family with a subpoena or a Grand Jury, do you think I'd lose any sleep over it? Not for a minute Mike... [Y]ou got a lawyer? Fine. Counselor? Fine. Mr. Bin Laden, this is why I'm asking you, it's not because I think that you're anything. I just want to ask you the questions that I would anybody."
http://www.9-11commission.gov/hearings/hearing10/staff_statement_10.pdf

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On the morning of September 11, 2001 , “in the plush setting of the Ritz-Carlton hotel in Washington, DC, the Carlyle Group was holding its annual international investor conference. Frank Carlucci, James Baker III, David Rubenstein, William Conway, and Dan D’Aniellow were together, along with a host of former world leaders, former defense experts, wealthy Arabs from the Middle East, and major international investors as the terror played out on television. There with them, looking after the investments of his family was Shafiq bin Laden, Osama bin Laden’s estranged half-brother. George Bush Sr. was also at the conference, but Carlyle’s spokesperson says the former president left before the terror attacks, and was on an airplane over the Midwest when flights across the country were grounded on the morning of September 11. In any circumstance, a confluence of such politically complex and globally connected people would have been curious, even newsworthy. But in the context of the terrorist attacks being waged against the United States by a group of Saudi nationals led by Osama bin Laden, the group assembled at the Ritz-Carlton that day was a disconcerting and freakish coincidence.” Dan Briody, The Iron Triangle, John Wiley & Sons, Inc., 2003, p. 139-140. See also, Melanie Warner, “What do George Bush, Arthur Levitt, Jim Baker, Dick Darman, and John Major Have in Common? (They all work for the Carlyle Group),” Fortune, March 18, 2002.

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If you don't think the war in Iraq had anything to do with making money, all I can say is wake up and smell the oil.

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Heh So what? The french also think Pepe Lapue is a cat.

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BTW Flux, that is as ignorant as me saying (purely hypothetical of course): Why should I care if George Bush gets assasinated since he has no governence over me.

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You bitch more about America than your own country. There's no reason to when there's almost nothing you can do as a non-citizen to change anything going on over here. You complain about our bipartisan politics when Canada has at least 6 major parties. You rarely complain about things that have any bearing on US-Canada relations, let alone post anything having to do only with Canada, so you're defense is pretty moot.

Why not direct all that energy towards Canada and fix your own home before taking it to ours, eh? If you're not a citizen or an activist who actually does stuff about the problems they enumerate, then quit posting about it on an internet forum and pretending you're being heard.

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Originally posted by Devastator:
"this one won Best Picture at the 2004 Cannes Film Festival."

Heh So what? The french also think Pepe Lapue is a cat.

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Yea and they think Jerry Lewis is the king of comedy.

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I take all of you guys already knew about the Bush/Bin Laden relationship? I did not read about that until the movie pointed it out.

As I pointed out before I am not a liberal or far left democrat and positively not a far right republican. I'm in the middle. Lately Steph and I have been voting toward the right now that we are in such a high tax bracket. =)

Xan - I really meant Bush was 'funny' in the movie in a pro-bush, positive way. Not looking dumb but actually funny. Right Flux? Seriously just like Willy said in his post that he found him funny but in a good way. His sense of humor pretty good.

I know what you mean about the bashing nonsense. At work I get one or two a week but they are Democrat bashing since I work in a 95% far right republican 'corporation', with a 'board of trustees', etc.

Hey outrider good to see you still around. I’ll email after this place goes down unless we all agree on some other board like the Butt Hole Surfers message board or something. Does Bucket head have a BB?

[Removed 'but']

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here's bush at a wedding in the early 90's: http://www.thesmokinggun.com/bush/bush.html
He seems to be having a really good time, and honestly, I don't know if he drunk or just mirthical. Regardless, it's a hilarious clip.

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wt - he looks like a guy i'd want to hang out with.

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a. I was not BITCHING in this thread
b. he chose something about my country that we both agree on to try and make a point against me?
c. he claims there to be six major political partys in Canada when in fact there are only 2 major parties and a few special interest parties.
d. despite the fact I cannot change anything, it does not negate the fact I am entitled to an opinion to anything I fucking desire.

I posed a question. You were the bitch.

You want to talk about relations? Teach your politicians how to build MUTUAL relationships rather than self-benefitial ones.

And to think, this all started about me asking a question regarding a point made in ANOTHER Moore movie. Suppose as a Canadian I amnot allowed to watch CNN eh?

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wt - that link is pure gold.

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“I have noticed even people who claim everything is predestined, and that we can do nothing to change it, look before they cross the road.”

“Intelligence is the ability to adapt to change.”

Unfortunately, things like this have absolutely no bearing on Canada whatsoever.

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so you support Texas banks giving out guns instead of toasters?

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Go Quebec!

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btw Flux, I wasn't talking to you until you addressed me...and like I said before, I only posed a question. So like I said, go hide in the shadows like you did before when you had a disagreement with some people. Go cry. Go to your hole. You fucking tool.

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so you support Texas banks giving out guns instead of toasters?

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http://www.bowlingfortruth.com/bowlingforcolumbine/scenes/bank.htm

There's no pleasing some of you tempermental people. I extend the argument, people get pissed. I let things go, attention-deprived people get pissed. Smoke a doob, jerk off, take a nap, whatever you gotta do to chill out, but chill out already.

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No, you questioned my right to participate/care...

Thankx Rokz...while I never really did care (what banks do in Texas does not concern me in the least...I was just posing a question), that was a good read. Now if only Flux could become somewhat intellectual, tactful and dimplomatic in regards to such issues rather than starting a shitstorm by being an asshole...38 days...hooo zaaaaa

There was no need for sites like the one you posted to waste webspace trying to convince people that Michael Moore was pulling the wool over our eyes when he clearly stated that the free gun scene was fabricated for humor purposes based on an old advertisment he found for free guns.

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Cac - not much of a Moore fan, but I can't really say either way if he's good or bad. I choose to ignore him as a source of factual information because there are many that vehemently refute the information he presents, or attack his credibility. Personally, I'd rather watch documentaries and read information from sources that aren't as controversial (whether he deserves the controversy or not is besides the point, IMO). It would be like the media jumping on encyclopedia.com every time they revised some of their information. I wouldn't worry myself with the credibility or factuality of their information, I'd just go somewhere else.

In the case of 9/11, the least-controversial sources of information would probably be government controlled, like MSN or maybe CNN, unfortunately. That's just IMO. Regardless, since we can't change what happened, and more importantly since anyone involved in any kind of conspiracy is too powerful in this nation to ever see the light of a courtroom, I find little interest in such material.

Basically, I'm apathetic. Whatever happened has happened, and whoever may have brought it about will get off scott free, no matter how much kicking and screaming Moore or anybody else does.

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i wanna cyber watch! bawahahahahaa

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