I am truly sorry I watched it... I had to turn it off before it was over... I cried... I still have an uneasy feeling, like I am in a fog... I can't stop thinking about his family watching it...

It's very sad that they have absolutely no regard for human life that they can do something like that. Absolutely sick.

I am not going to stop anyone from posting a link to that horid video, but PLEASE understand. It IS very disturbing and you may feel damaged afterwards. It should not in anyway be view by children or in a public place.

If you are going to force yourself to watch the video, my only bit of advice is to turn the volume down (I feel that was the most disturbing part of the whole ordeal). It really isn't for the weak.

Call me a pussy but I didn't want to watch it, I've seen all sorts of gross shit on the internet in my lifetime (Why hello Russian_Soldier.mpeg thanks for giving me nightmares! kthnx) I even saw the Pearlman video and it was pretty greusome too.

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Ignorance is bliss...

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I saw it to and the only feeling I had was disbelief. I can't begine to imagine what would drive people to do this kind of horror to another person; It's just disgusting.

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Think of it this way Acid...as a society, they are way behind the western world in term of social development. Many extreme sects are so bad they have virtually the same mentality as they did in the times of the crusades. They (the militia and "freedom fighters") are undeveloped savages. They have the technology but the social behaviour of Ghangus Kahn. Notice I avoided lumping all mid-east society there. For many of the countries and a good portion of the civilians were not impressed.

Those enemy combatants as far as I am concerned right now should NOT be protected under the Geneva convention. They have proved they have no respect for it. Hell, they are not even a legitimate military force and they have no recognized gonvernmental body ruling them. They are savages and should be mowed down. Wipe them out. Shoot on sight. To retaliate against a serviceman is one thing (not acceptable but work with me here) but to go after a civilian contractor??

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I am glad that I have not seen much of what you guys are talking about... I don't even know what video yer talkin about...

Ignorance is bliss...

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Jamie, a terrorist group supposedly linked heavily with Al Qaeda (so much so that some news sites are citing Al Qaeda as being responsible) kidnapped a US civilian in Iraq and with him in front of a video camera had him say his name, his parents name, his home town...and then decapitated him by slicing his neck in a back and forth motion in retaliation for the "POW" abuse ordeal the US is now facing.

BTW...Faces of Death, while morbid never really got me. But watching the news...his parents, family and friends...it creates a connection. I never felt queezy. I felt pity for Nick and his family. I actually feel compassion right now for GWB...for I know he is not a BAD man and he did not intend for things to go this way. If anything, I think these videos will serve to annhilate these sick mother fuckers by creating global outrage.

You can't "kill them with kindness" as one of those old sayings goes. They're savages.

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nicholas berg was killed 2 weeks ago (i think), however in the video the culprits who killed him said they were "avenging iraqi prisoner abuse" but those photos weren't released until last week, so my question is how is that even a possible motive if he was killed prior to the abuse photos being released?

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9) "Arabs" have lily-white hands and (other exposed) skin.

10) "Arabs" have Western-style body posture and mannerisms.

11) When Berg decapitated, there was almost no blood. If Berg were still
alive at this point, with the cut starting at front of throat, blood would
have been spraying everywhere. Berg's severed head, the floor, Berg's
clothes, and even the hand of the "Arab" who decapitated Berg had no visible
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The usual people suspect the video to be a (US) government produced media weapon.

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Wow, I can't believe I'm agreeing with FS on this one

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Don't ever vote for me as President. Apparently most of the rest of the world wouldn't like me much.

hmmmm, wait a minute.

My real point is, If they think we are the bad guys. Maybe we should show them just how bad we would be if we really were.

Just for a weekend or so.

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I'm just afraid of how well that represents the average american...

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Wow, I can't believe I'm agreeing with FS on this one

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Such utter ignorance on those forums you linked Dev =(

I'm just afraid of how well that represents the average american...

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Nobody deserves what happened to him, but I can tell that he didn't suffer long. Just intensly.

War was was never supposed to be anticeptic. "We only kill the bad guys". Rules during war is just idiotic.

I still beleave we should just go roman on thier asses.

The end of WWII was marked by the sudden horrendus death of men, women, children, goldfish, cats, and dogs. Plus whatever else was there at the time.

BUT

The war ended right there. People should not want us in their backyard under any circumstances if we are at war with them.

It's a sad and sick subject.

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I just don't much hang around at Finnish forums, so I don't get exposed to domestic ignorance as much as foreign ignorance

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Nicholas Berg Murder

I don't know NB but according to Imam Ali saying he is a brother for all of us in humanity (The people are two; either brother for you in religion or brother for you in humanity). When I saw the video of NB beheading I had a strange feeling never experienced before which is a mixture of my brain went standstill and my stomach and heart went up to my head! It is more than sickness indeed.

Those who killed NB are worse than the devil and it is not right to describe them as animals because animals feel ashamed from such behaviour. The only creature (which) may do such crime is the man! The history of mankind is full with atrocities and killing. The main mischief in this earth comes from mankind!

Other things which make me to feel surprised when I saw the video is why NB was wearing the uniform which is used by the Americans for the prisoners?! The other thing is whether the thugs who killed him asphyxiated him or killed him before the beheading because of the way his blood was spraying was very poor. Cutting the neck arteries(carotid arteries) should produce a strong spray of blood. NB also was weak in his resistance to the knife and pain a case may result from exhaustion or heavy sedation. In any way those who killed him should be brought to justice and tried and executed by the same way.

NB had no crime to be killed in such barbaric way. Even if he was a killer or criminal it is the justice and law which should confirm that and punish but not an outlawed people. The thugs who killed him as if they killed the whole mankind according to the Quran:

If any one slew a person - unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land - it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people. (The Holly Quran Sura-Al-Maeda 5;32)

The thugs who killed him said that it is in revenge to the abuses of the Iraqi prisoners in Abu Ghrieb. This is wrong because NB has nothing to do with that issue and according to the Quran this is wrong as there is no burden should be put on another one who has nothing to do with it:

Nor can a bearer of burdens bear another's burdens if one heavily laden should call another to (bear) his load. Not the least portion of it can be carried (by the other). Even though he be nearly related. Thou canst but admonish such as fear their Lord unseen and establish regular Prayer. And whoever purifies himself does so for the benefit of his own soul; and the destination (of all) is to Allah. (The Holly Quran Sura-Fatir (The Originator) 35;18)

God (Allah) is innocent from these thugs and he surely will punish them. He indeed distanced himself from their action before it takes place:

If it had been thy Lord's will, they would all have believed,- all who are on earth! wilt thou then compel mankind, against their will, to believe! (The Holly Quran Sura-Yunus (Jonah) 10;99)

We would like to see the thugs captured and tried so soon and punished in front of the camera.

Can be found here along with links to other blogs:
http://hammorabi.blogspot.com/

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America was preoccupied with those Iraqi naked twister pics. The democrats were gaining politically while putting our troops at risk. Now they look like anti-American fools!

I do feel horribly for the guys family. If I saw some fuckers like that do that to my family, i dunno what i would do.. I just hope the family didn't have some asshole show them that video thinking it would be funny to expose them to it. Don't kid yourself if someone is sick enough to tape this..then there is an american that is sick enough to show it to the family.

What determines cruel and unusual punishment when it involves national security? Psychological warfare has been a huge part of intelligence since the beginning of prethought warfare.

If they are trying to save lives...I say stack some naked iraqis in a pyramid and get what you need....I know in certain circumstances i would not want this shit to happen to me but I am self centred I guess...

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Hell, at Moby concert there was a PETA stand setup outside. I didn't know it was PETA I just saw a crowd of people and a TV. Next thing I see is a pig hanging by it's back legs and some guy slice it open along the length of it's stomach, the pig going f'ing bananas, blood spurting everywhere, the pig falling off the hook and squirming around on the floor. This was "only" a pig and I felt disgusted by the whole thing, I can only imagine how I would feel if it was a human being. That said I hold some animals lives in higher regard than some humans.

I read on Yahoo! news messageboard a bunch of ridiculous messages about how the US should retaliate in even stronger fashion. I have a hard time with that though because the reason we are where we are is partly because of people "getting hit and hitting back harder". We allegedly abuse some prisoners. They kidnap and kill a civilian. We should (and I quote one of the messages I read) kill every muslim and liberal who gets in the way?!?! I suspect that there are more people who feel that way than I want to believe. As long as each side takes it on themself to hit back harder then this whole ordeal can only have one outcome.

Another point that was made above - I'm too lazy to scroll up and credit the correct person - is that this is by far not the worst thing to happen in the world, just one of the most public in recent times. Imagine if as human beings we had to feel the pain and guilt of every wrong doing, that would soon put a stop to things.

On a parting note, one thing that I think about is that ever since I have been alive there has been trouble in the middle east, I wonder if there will ever be a time when that area knows peace? I sometimes think that just dropping a few really, REALLY big bombs would fix the problem....

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I didn't mean to suggest that we do that, I'm just suggesting that sometimes that seems like the only option and the world (our world at least) would be a much better place after the fact.

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I don't think I wanna see it but what is it about nonetheless?

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