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TheKiller
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posted 03-05-2004 02:49 AM     Profile for TheKiller   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Today I fixed my mom's computer... I mean really fixed it.

She didn't understand that I was going to clean it up by formatting it and reinstalling the OS. So she lost a database file that she needs to recover.

Good news... I used format /q... a quick format. Does anyone know where I can get a free tool to recover a couple files from the hard drive?

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posted 03-05-2004 03:13 AM     Profile for anuj   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
there used to be the dos unformat utility.

look up norton's site and then k*cough*z*cough*a?

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posted 03-05-2004 03:51 AM     Profile for AcidWarp   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Off hand I'd say good luck.

But it is possible to do. It's even possible to do it from a low level format, but not many repair shops keep an MRI machine in the back room.

As for software to do it, Anuj gave you more info than I could. But it might not be recoverable if that file space on the disk was overwritten after the format. A quick format just wipes the file allocation table and tree structure, but if you over-write the sector with the info on it. . .

One place I always check out when I'm completely stumped is http://computing.net Really good site for this kind of thing.

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posted 03-05-2004 07:16 AM     Profile for Cacophonous   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I've used GetDataBack but where a virus or incident wiped the data and no reinstall took place but it should work. Let me get back later today.

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posted 03-05-2004 08:32 AM     Profile for Cacophonous   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Killer do you have AIM or Yahoo IM? I'm at work and that's what I have here.

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posted 03-05-2004 02:22 PM     Profile for TheKiller   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Weird I replied and nothing happened.

I only have msn and icq:
jamieh@dccnet.com
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posted 03-05-2004 02:34 PM     Profile for TheKiller   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
you could email me too... upto 5 megs.

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posted 03-05-2004 03:31 PM     Profile for TheKiller   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Ok I have yahoo setup now...
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posted 03-05-2004 04:13 PM     Profile for god   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
You can definately recover the majority of files on a harddrive. DOD standards for formatting is like 30 or more passes which is more then I believe they can recover right now. But I know for a fact you can find files up to 10 previously formatted. That's how police/rcmp up here crack down on illegal pron rings. I've seen a officer pull up over 10 thousand files off a machine that was supposed to be totally cleaned several times...

This being said I don't have the utility or even know if it is released to the public so basically I wrote this to waste your time..There are definately utilities like cac mentioned that will work which are freeware on the net just do some searchin

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posted 03-05-2004 04:24 PM     Profile for Cacophonous   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Jamie you have mail (I used the email address from your profile)

I also IM'd you via Yahoo.

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posted 03-05-2004 06:03 PM     Profile for WillyTrombone   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
it's always recoverable. It just depends on how much you're willing to spend. Just run search for "data recovery" at tucows or google it if you can't find any decent software and I'm sure there will be dozens of services offered. If it's win 95, DOS unformat might work. If it's 98 or later, I sincerely doubt it. IIRC, DOS unformat was sketchy even in DOS. (wasn't it actually licensed from Norton or someone they now own?)

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posted 03-05-2004 06:50 PM     Profile for Cacophonous   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
He's all set. =)

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posted 03-05-2004 07:10 PM     Profile for TheKiller   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I have tried this program: http://www.pcinspector.de/file_recovery/UK/welcome.htm

it has found tons of files, but not the file I want.

A big problem I didn't mention is I have already installed Windows98 on the partition.

I'll keep on trying though.

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posted 03-05-2004 07:35 PM     Profile for Cacophonous   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Killer - Did you get the email(s)?

With Get Data Back and with many similar programs you would want to hook that drive as a slave to another drive that has the OS on it. Also when you restore you have to restore to a different drive/partition than the one you are scanning.

It should work...

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posted 03-05-2004 07:49 PM     Profile for AcidWarp   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
God, it depends on the kind of format you do.

If the drive that the RCMP officer was recovering files off of had been low level formatted several times then the chances of finding recoverable data are very small. I think that's why, ultimately the HD Low Level Format option was removed from BIOS Setup options. It was too easily accessible.

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posted 03-05-2004 11:52 PM     Profile for WillyTrombone   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
a low level format will change the alignment of the sectors but it will not alter the physical tendancy of the platter to 'remember' past data. It would have to be written over several times to truly destroy lingering data. I think it's more likely that low-level formatting simply isn't needed very often because the technology and craftsmanship put into a modern actuator and parking system prevents the types of problems that would necessitate them.

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posted 03-05-2004 11:56 PM     Profile for TheKiller   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Cac, I got the email thanks!

The program seems far superior than those others... we'll see what I can get from it.

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posted 03-06-2004 04:04 AM     Profile for AcidWarp   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I was sorta getting at that WillyT, I think I said "low lever formatted several times" Although, I'm just back from the pub and a little out of sorts.

I know for a fact that after a certain number of passes (I think under ten) of a low level format, you'd almost need something akin to an MRI imager to read the previous states of the HD sectors, and then some fairly sophisticated software to convert that image info back into usable data. And even then it has it's limits.

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posted 03-06-2004 09:47 AM     Profile for Rivendell   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Just a good luck wish TK...I have no idea how to advise you, so that's all I can do...
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posted 03-06-2004 11:29 AM     Profile for Cacophonous   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Killer - There is a crack for the fat version in there. It may be zipped as well. Let me know if you have a problem with it.

If you scan the drive with it uncracked you can save the results. Then if you crack it later won't have to re-scan the drive.

As I mentioned I used that software (the NTFS version) twice with great sucess.

Once situation a virus wiped all data off a primary 60 GB boot drive and I recovered it all 100% for a client.

The other situation I'm not sure how it happened but this client had a slave 80 GB drive partitioned into 2 - 40 GB partitions filled with data. They formated their primary drive that had the OS installed and re-installed Windows. After that the 80 GB split drive registered as 1 40 GB partition in windows explorer/my computer but in disk management it still showed as 1 80 GB drive. Using that software I recovered the other 40 GB of data for them.


Good luck...

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posted 03-06-2004 11:32 AM     Profile for Cacophonous   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I already mentioned this but I think you MUST scan your mom's drive by hooking it as a slave to another drive that has an OS installed. Install the software on the 'other' drive then scan her drive.

You also have to re-direct the lost data to the 'other' drive not to the one you are scanning/recovering from.

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posted 03-06-2004 06:26 PM     Profile for Snag   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
one more reason to love swap files
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posted 03-07-2004 02:35 AM     Profile for TheKiller   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I used the hard drive in my computer, it was a slave. I saved the data on my hard drive.

I found the 13 meg file...but it's all gimbled, I think her file was very fragmented. I used a hex editor and there's device driver inf file information, and a lot of extra crap inside the saved file.

If all goes well, she might be able to reconstruct her database from what her friend has and that report files that she's been saving.

I thank you all for this valiant effort!

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posted 03-07-2004 10:23 AM     Profile for Cacophonous   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Good deal. Did you use that software to do it?

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posted 03-10-2004 06:11 AM     Profile for Rivendell   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Did you get it back TK? If not...could this possibly help you....?
http://www.handyrecovery.com/

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