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Cacophonous
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posted 02-25-2004 02:29 PM
    
Interesting read...Just as I said back then, the heroic account of the brave passengers' sacrifice was probably bullshit and that flight 93 had obviously been shot down by a US fighter. It's standard procedure. Not very media friendly, but standard nonetheless. http://cooperativeresearch.org/timeline/main/dayof911.html -------------------- ...
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Cyborg6
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posted 02-25-2004 03:07 PM
It is standard procedure but I doubt your mistrust of our government is accurate. America was asleep, and while we slept Muslims planned a do-able attack and carried it out. Now they have woken us up and the battle for freedom has begun. Our government openly admits that those planes would have been shot down if there was enough time. I hope there is if it happens again. Everything in life is not a hoax. Regards, {C6A}Cyborg Note: Put yourself in our president’s position, tough job eh? Have some respect!
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Cacophonous
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posted 02-25-2004 03:40 PM
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Our government openly admits that those planes would have been shot down if there was enough time.
There was enough time. That was one of the major points of the article.  [ 02-25-2004: Message edited by: Cacophonous ] -------------------- ...
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posted 02-25-2004 04:27 PM
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America is still asleep.
huh? wha? quiet down there! damn kids. -------------------- signature
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Cacophonous
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posted 02-26-2004 08:49 AM
Acid - don't blame congress. Blame this administration. What about Patriot Act I? I thought the Republicans were supposed to be for smaller government. Having government 'not' sticking their nose into everything. That is so far from the truth. Look at what Michael Powell/FCC are doing? What bullshit. They launch a major investigation over a women's breast? Do you realize what they are doing broadcasting companies regarding censorship? There are 11-second delays on radio stations now. Howard Stern's show has been taken off the air all over the country. What next? Why is our government involved in gay union and other issues that should be handled on the state level? I thought they were going to be less involved in those types if issues. Like we need this goddamn administration shoving it's religious views down our throats. At first I was supporting Bush and the war in Iraq, not because I voted for him, because I did no but because he is our president. After watching him speak for several years now and how much of a moron he is I can't respect him based on his intelligence or lack of. I suppose this countries poor economy/huge deficit is still an after effect from the last administration? What he is doing with social security is a big mistake IMO. He has alienated the rest of the world with his arrogance. Am I the only person here that feels this way on some or all of these issues? The potential democrat candidates are weak so what do people like me do? I respect the rest of your opinions so don’t flame me back. I am willing to debate an issue though and am interested in other's opinions. -------------------- ...
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posted 02-26-2004 09:35 AM
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Originally posted by Cacophonous:
After watching him speak for several years now and how much of a moron he is I can't respect him based on his intelligence or lack of. He has alienated the rest of the world with his arrogance. Am I the only person here that feels this way on some or all of these issues?
Nope. You're absolutely correct. However, this is a discussion I won't participate in - I'm only going to insult those here who believe in Bush and/or the current administration in the U.S. (plus I might end up throwing in a few other arguments that don't even fit  ) So...discuss away, but leave me out of it! [edit]Damn typos.[/edit] [ 02-26-2004: Message edited by: Rivendell ]
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Acid
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posted 02-26-2004 09:37 AM
The administration can't do the FCC's job. Sure, it is extremely rediculous. I was watching TV while I ate yesterday, and I see footoge of the guy hanging from the cross [The Passion]. That's no worse than seeing Janet's tit.Basically every presidential speech is written for them. They just deliver it differently. I don't care for Bush's pauses either, but it doesn't constitute him being a moron. Even the liberals in my hall will agree with me on that. The economy wasn't too stable when Bush got into office [was sliding a bit iirc], and the next year the WTC falls. Wouldn't matter who was in office really, it was devastating for every aspect of our nation. Haven't followed the social security deal, but I've read a lot about people not liking what he is doing. I'll wait for Snag to post. He knows a tit more about it than I do. [ 02-26-2004: Message edited by: Acid ]
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Cacophonous
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posted 02-27-2004 08:59 AM
I support(ed) Bush's war on terrorism for the most part. And I believe that we need a strong military. I was starting to accept Bush and agree with him on most issues until lately when it seems that the extreme right is taking control. It's the extreme right issues that are now surfacing, although have been in the works for a long time that are troubling to me. 1) As Bush promised during his election campaign that our government was going to get smaller and but in reality it's getting bigger and more controlling than ever. 2) Jerry Falwell and the other Jesus freaks influencing this administration to the point where we have our president cramming his so called 'good morals' down our throats. 3) Censorship to the point that people like Howard Stern who in fact was a huge Bush supporter and for the war on terrorism are not being censored and taken off the air in some markers (due to the FCC's licensing threats) because his 'sex talk' is immoral. Although nobody is being forced to listen. We are reverting back to the censorship of the 50's. Janet Jackson's boob was the catalyst of a work in progress. In Europe and many other countries a nude breast is totally acceptable even if children see it/them. What's next do we cover up naked statues in our museums? Do we ban R rated movies? 4) George Bush when asked why he is against same sex marriage said because it does not feel right. What the fuck kind of answer is that? What if one day it does not 'feel right' that gays should drink from the same drinking fountain as heterosexuals? Sound familiar? Extreme left or right is bad IMO. Why can’t we be in the middle? I am… -------------------- ...
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Cyborg6
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posted 02-27-2004 09:11 AM
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Originally posted by Rivendell:
Umm...you're starting to scare me, Cy...
I was implying that the garbage you read and see via media in most cases is not accurate. quote:
Education and information is the key to knowledge and knowledge the path to wisdom (or something like that) [/QB]
Watching CNN or getting brainwashed by Rush Limbaugh is NOT education. quote:
Anyhow...now you're coming off as a hilbilly locked up in a cabin in the woods somewhere with your gun, your believe that all Muslims are evil and your son to take care of...Thank God for Ellen![/QB]
Where did I say that all Muslims are evil? I was talking about extreme Muslims (you know the ones that blow themselves up?) Before you start judging people you better do your homework son, you are the one "coming off" as a moron.
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Cacophonous
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posted 02-27-2004 11:42 AM
Acid - I never said Bush 'handled' the FCC. However this administration AKA Michael Powell does and he is a far right republican. lol at your comments to Ellen. -------------------- ...
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posted 02-27-2004 12:56 PM
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Umm...you're starting to scare me, Cy...Thank God for Ellen!
Ditto! Is the morning after pill actually banned over there? WTF is up with that? Maybe the Pill and condoms will be banned next, since God(tm) should decide when people become pragnant... -------------------- quote:
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Wow, I can't believe I'm agreeing with FS on this one
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Flux
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posted 02-27-2004 01:17 PM
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I'd wager the current situation today in America wouldn't be much different whether it was Bush, Gore, Mrs or Mr Clinton or Jay Leno in office on 9/11.
I disagree. I think that if Gore were in office at the time of 9/11, we wouldn't have gone to war and not have alienated all the nations that came to our aid. We came out of 9/11 ranting and raving like a little child trying to tie up his daddy's loose ends, instead of keeping our heads on and the friends that rallied behind us. [ 02-27-2004: Message edited by: Flux ] -------------------- 
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Cacophonous
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posted 02-27-2004 02:39 PM
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Originally posted by outrider:
The president of the usa is kinda like a puppety spokesperson for a corporation. The board members of said corporation are the ones who really make the decisions and let's not forget about the "silent partners" that have so much pull.
Very well said. I agree. BTW glad to see we can discuss politics without major flaming. Quite a few good points... [ 02-27-2004: Message edited by: Cacophonous ] -------------------- ...
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But seriously, our air defense was not ready for 9/11 like they were when we had to fear nukes hitting all our major cities during the cold war. All the hardware was getting dusty and the military was under funded. Ellen does have a point about Big Brother but do not fear, I am training a hostile army of robots that will clean house in the future. 
posted 02-27-2004 11:46 AM
