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jondster
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posted 02-14-2004 09:32 AM     Profile for jondster   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
One of you out there has to be knowlegable on WiFi set ups, so please help me out with this.

The wife's computer and my HTPC connect to the network via a D-Link DI-614+ wireless router (the other 3 use cat5/NIC). The wife's shows under 50% strength on reception as it's the furthest from the D-Link. However, I happen to have a SoHo wireless router laying around. Same protocol.

How do I plug it in to her computer as an access point TO RECEIVE from the network, not set up as a seperate access point ? This should get her more range, I would think.

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posted 02-14-2004 11:53 AM     Profile for Cacophonous   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Well at least to make the router just an access point simply disable DHCP.

Let me get back on the other part.

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posted 02-14-2004 01:17 PM     Profile for Cacophonous   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I take it you don't want to wire the second router (access point) so it's closer to her computer?

I'm not sure if what you want to do will work and if it does if it would have any stronger a signal.

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posted 02-14-2004 04:37 PM     Profile for grumpy   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
if you have a wifi thinger. what can you do to prevent neighbors from leechin offa ya?

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posted 02-14-2004 04:58 PM     Profile for Cacophonous   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
1) You pick your own unique server set ID (SSID) in your router/access point setup.
2) Turn SSID broadcasting off in your router/access point setup.
3) Since you are not broadcasting your SSID you have to manually enter the SSID into your laptop/PC.
4) Use WEP or whatever type of encryption available.

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posted 02-15-2004 10:32 AM     Profile for jondster   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Yeah Grump, Windows provides 128 bit encryption (or is it 256 ?). All users of the LAN have to use the same key. My nextdoor neighbor's wireless LAN shows up on my computer as an available network, but I can't get on it because he encrypted, as did I.

Cac ~ what I'm thinking of here is using the second wireless router as a "receiver" instead of using it as it's own access point and network, and hopefully effectively double the range in the LAN. I would guess it would be the same as "lily-padding" but I never read where to do that.

Essentially what you're saying is turn off the DHCPing and force it to join the existing LAN ? Would we assume that router #1 (the D-Lonk) will assign router #2 an IP in the 192.168.0.X range and it's "in" ?

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Jon/grumpy - Besides encryption I would also turn SSID broadcasting off that way nobody would even see your network in the first place. You have to manually configure the SSID name on your wireless devices (laptop/desktops) though.


Jon,

Back to your original queston yes turn DHCP to make a router act like a hub/access point. You will have to give it a LAN IP in your D-Link's DHCP range. However I think you need to wire it from the D-Link (daisy chain)lan out to it's WAN input. I'm not sure if you can use it totally wireless.

I have set up a few wireless networks recently but all with only one access point and for sure none using an access point as a 'receiver'. I don't mind looking into it for you.

I did one setup where I used an external (USB) wireless network adapter as an access point.

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posted 02-15-2004 01:49 PM     Profile for Snag   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
surprised nobody mentioned mac address filtering. if the MAC doesn't match, they don't get on. Simple as that. I use WEP, MAC filtering but leave my SID broadcasts on. Where I am geographically, if they can beat my key, they deserve to download kiddie porn and jack off in their vehicle (happened in Ontario).
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posted 02-15-2004 02:01 PM     Profile for Cacophonous   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Oh yeah use mac filtering. =)
So you broadcast just to give someone a chance to get in?

Snag can you help with jondster's original question? Can he use that other router as a receiver? If so would it be any better than using a wireless NIC?

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posted 02-15-2004 02:14 PM     Profile for FS   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I think this is what many wireless links advertise as "WLAN bridging", i.e. you set the box up as a bridge and then it simply acts as a repeater/amplifier. Never tried that tho, I only have WLAN on the laptop, not anywhere else.

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posted 02-15-2004 02:28 PM     Profile for Cacophonous   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
FS - I am more familar with bridging two seperate networks.

Regardless of how he uses it do you (or anyone here) know if he can use it without a wire to the WAN input? Some routers have one LAN connector than can double as a 'uplink'.

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posted 02-15-2004 02:33 PM     Profile for Cacophonous   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I just found this: http://www.trendware.com/products/TEW-310APB.htm

So I guess it's possible to bridge access points wirelessly. Now Jon needs to find out if the access point part of his router can support this technology.

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posted 02-15-2004 03:12 PM     Profile for SnOrfus   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
just set your other router as an access point if it is capable, and have it connect to your d-link router/network. I think there should be a setting to specify the gateway ip or network to join - look on the router's local web page (usually 192.168.2.1).

I think you'll also have to keep dhcp enabled so that it can assign ip's to clients... but I'm not 100% on whether the d-link will give an ip to the other router and that the other router will just give ip's to its own clients, or whether the d-link will handle all of the clients and the access point will act as a hub. I would assume the former myself... or else it would just be called a wireless hub...

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posted 02-15-2004 03:32 PM     Profile for Snag   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
http://www.wi-fiplanet.com/tutorials/article.php/1586861 http://www.dailywireless.org/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=589

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posted 02-15-2004 07:44 PM     Profile for Cacophonous   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Snorfus - You cannot have both routers dishing out IP addresses. You have to turn DHCP off to make the router a wireless access point.

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posted 02-16-2004 10:00 PM     Profile for SnOrfus   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Cool cool, I thought it was possible to setup the router to be like a subnetwork.

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posted 02-17-2004 03:47 PM     Profile for Cacophonous   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Jon - check this out http://www.ezlan.net/Distance.html

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posted 02-18-2004 09:37 AM     Profile for Cacophonous   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Jon - Another thing I thought of...

Do you have WEP enabled?

You can expect a 20-50% decrease in speed when running WEP.

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posted 02-18-2004 03:06 PM     Profile for Flux   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I have a Netgear wireless router. 1 internet port, 4 ethernet, and I don't know how many wireless connections are supported.

All I do is use MAC filtering. SSID broadcasting is on, no encryption. I could turn SSID off, I guess, but with MAC filtering, nothing can get on but my laptop.

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posted 02-19-2004 01:16 PM     Profile for FS   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
...and anybody who'd bother to spoof their MAC address...

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Wow, I can't believe I'm agreeing with FS on this one

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